[Phpmyadmin-devel] UTF-8 package
Hi, would it require much work to make a second package with UTF-8 lang files only? saving half the size and we could see in the download statistics what is prefered/required -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
would it require much work to make a second package with UTF-8 lang files only?
saving half the size
and we could see in the download statistics what is prefered/required
Not much work, it's a good idea. We could advertise this new one as the "main" one, saying that the one that includes non-UTF-8 lang files is necessary only with older browsers. Any idea which browsers? Marc
Hi, is there any Browser wich couldn't support UTF-8 charsets? I don't really know. But the current browsers and IE 5.5. too should support UTF-8. Another point: How are you thinking about language packages? Each language should be installable like we've done with themes. This will reduce download and package size to ;) Regards Michael --- Original Message --- Mail from: Marc Delisle Date: 29.09.2006 14:05
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
would it require much work to make a second package with UTF-8 lang files only?
saving half the size
and we could see in the download statistics what is prefered/required
Not much work, it's a good idea. We could advertise this new one as the "main" one, saying that the one that includes non-UTF-8 lang files is necessary only with older browsers. Any idea which browsers?
Marc
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Michael Keck wrote:
How are you thinking about language packages? Each language should be installable like we've done with themes. This will reduce download and package size to ;)
Regards Michael
that's the most desirable solution, also requested in FR trk -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UTF-8-package-tf2356205.html#a6568715 Sent from the phpmyadmin-devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Michael Keck a écrit :
Hi,
is there any Browser wich couldn't support UTF-8 charsets? I don't really know. But the current browsers and IE 5.5. too should support UTF-8.
Another point: How are you thinking about language packages? Each language should be installable like we've done with themes.
I don't know how we could handle this. Only English in the main package and all other languages into another kit? A separate download for each language? We also have to think what the distributors (like XAMPP or the various Linux distros) will do? They will install all languages anyway? Put two kits, one containing only English and an additional language pack? I did not suspect that download size could be an issue nowadays. Marc
This will reduce download and package size to ;)
Regards Michael
--- Original Message --- Mail from: Marc Delisle Date: 29.09.2006 14:05
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
would it require much work to make a second package with UTF-8 lang files only?
saving half the size
and we could see in the download statistics what is prefered/required
Not much work, it's a good idea. We could advertise this new one as the "main" one, saying that the one that includes non-UTF-8 lang files is necessary only with older browsers. Any idea which browsers?
Marc
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Marc Delisle wrote:
I did not suspect that download size could be an issue nowadays.
i pay for every byte :( at least the snapshots should not contain languages other than english. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/UTF-8-package-tf2356205.html#a6568858 Sent from the phpmyadmin-devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Hi, I think this would be mainly for end users, wich installes PMA on their webspace. If I only install the needed languages (I delete the not required languages), PMA is round about 30% smaller ;) But this was only a suggestion, not a requestet feature or patch ;) I think too: For the others like XAMPP, ISP or Linux Distributors I think it would be better that they've all languages. --- Original Message --- Mail from: Marc Delisle Date: 29.09.2006 18:48
Michael Keck a écrit :
Hi,
is there any Browser wich couldn't support UTF-8 charsets? I don't really know. But the current browsers and IE 5.5. too should support UTF-8.
Another point: How are you thinking about language packages? Each language should be installable like we've done with themes.
I don't know how we could handle this. Only English in the main package and all other languages into another kit?
A separate download for each language?
We also have to think what the distributors (like XAMPP or the various Linux distros) will do? They will install all languages anyway? Put two kits, one containing only English and an additional language pack?
I did not suspect that download size could be an issue nowadays.
Marc
This will reduce download and package size to ;)
Regards Michael
--- Original Message --- Mail from: Marc Delisle Date: 29.09.2006 14:05
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
would it require much work to make a second package with UTF-8 lang files only?
saving half the size
and we could see in the download statistics what is prefered/required
Not much work, it's a good idea. We could advertise this new one as the "main" one, saying that the one that includes non-UTF-8 lang files is necessary only with older browsers. Any idea which browsers?
Marc
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Michael Keck a écrit :
Hi,
I think this would be mainly for end users, wich installes PMA on their webspace. If I only install the needed languages (I delete the not required languages), PMA is round about 30% smaller ;)
But this was only a suggestion, not a requestet feature or patch ;)
It's not a bad suggestion, I'm just trying to see how to do it. I guess a German guy would want to download the main kit plus a language pack containing only German? Marc
I think too: For the others like XAMPP, ISP or Linux Distributors I think it would be better that they've all languages.
--- Original Message --- Mail from: Marc Delisle Date: 29.09.2006 18:48
Michael Keck a écrit :
Hi,
is there any Browser wich couldn't support UTF-8 charsets? I don't really know. But the current browsers and IE 5.5. too should support UTF-8.
Another point: How are you thinking about language packages? Each language should be installable like we've done with themes.
I don't know how we could handle this. Only English in the main package and all other languages into another kit?
A separate download for each language?
We also have to think what the distributors (like XAMPP or the various Linux distros) will do? They will install all languages anyway? Put two kits, one containing only English and an additional language pack?
I did not suspect that download size could be an issue nowadays.
Marc
This will reduce download and package size to ;)
Regards Michael
--- Original Message --- Mail from: Marc Delisle Date: 29.09.2006 14:05
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
would it require much work to make a second package with UTF-8 lang files only?
saving half the size
and we could see in the download statistics what is prefered/required
Not much work, it's a good idea. We could advertise this new one as the "main" one, saying that the one that includes non-UTF-8 lang files is necessary only with older browsers. Any idea which browsers?
Marc
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Michael Keck a écrit :
Hi,
I think this would be mainly for end users, wich installes PMA on their webspace. If I only install the needed languages (I delete the not required languages), PMA is round about 30% smaller ;)
But this was only a suggestion, not a requestet feature or patch ;)
It's not a bad suggestion, I'm just trying to see how to do it.
I guess a German guy would want to download the main kit plus a language pack containing only German?
yes, for sure ;-) so what now? phpMyAdmin-core (en only phpMyAdmin-UTF-8 (all lang, UTF-8) --- phpMyAdmin-langpack (all languages, including non UTF-8 files) phpMyAdmin-lang-en phpMyAdmin-lang-de ... ? -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
Hi, I think: - de: utf8 & non utf8 - fr: utf8 & non utf8 ... - all utf8-langs - all non utf8-langs - big langpack (for ISP, Distributors like SuSE, XAMPP ...) with all languages and charsets (like at the moment) - pma should be delivered with 'en' as default language. What you're thinking about this? --- Original Message --- Mail from: Sebastian Mendel Date: 04.10.2006 10:02
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Michael Keck a écrit :
Hi,
I think this would be mainly for end users, wich installes PMA on their webspace. If I only install the needed languages (I delete the not required languages), PMA is round about 30% smaller ;)
But this was only a suggestion, not a requestet feature or patch ;) It's not a bad suggestion, I'm just trying to see how to do it.
I guess a German guy would want to download the main kit plus a language pack containing only German?
yes, for sure ;-)
so what now?
phpMyAdmin-core (en only phpMyAdmin-UTF-8 (all lang, UTF-8) --- phpMyAdmin-langpack (all languages, including non UTF-8 files) phpMyAdmin-lang-en phpMyAdmin-lang-de ... ?
Hi On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:14:01 +0200 Michael Keck <sfnet@michaelkeck.de> wrote:
I think:
- de: utf8 & non utf8 - fr: utf8 & non utf8 ... - all utf8-langs - all non utf8-langs - big langpack (for ISP, Distributors like SuSE, XAMPP ...) with all languages and charsets (like at the moment)
- pma should be delivered with 'en' as default language.
What you're thinking about this?
That will be much more work on release, when we have 50 translations [*]. I think just few versions would be enough: - english-utf-8 only - utf-8 only [this would be default download option] - full [*]: Anyway I don't think it makes sense to have language pack for all languages, especially those that are far from being complete [1]. [1]: http://cihar.com/phpMyAdmin/stats/translations.php?sort=count -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:14:01 +0200 Michael Keck <sfnet@michaelkeck.de> wrote:
I think:
- de: utf8 & non utf8 - fr: utf8 & non utf8 ... - all utf8-langs - all non utf8-langs - big langpack (for ISP, Distributors like SuSE, XAMPP ...) with all languages and charsets (like at the moment)
- pma should be delivered with 'en' as default language.
What you're thinking about this?
That will be much more work on release, when we have 50 translations [*]. I think just few versions would be enough:
- english-utf-8 only
I would prefer "english only" with all the English charsets, to be compatible with pre-MySQL 4.1 machines if they don't have recoding support.
- utf-8 only [this would be default download option] ok
- full ok
Michal, do you mean that PMA would be included in all these, not just the language files?
[*]: Anyway I don't think it makes sense to have language pack for all languages, especially those that are far from being complete [1].
[1]: http://cihar.com/phpMyAdmin/stats/translations.php?sort=count
Hi On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:55:45 -0400 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
I would prefer "english only" with all the English charsets, to be compatible with pre-MySQL 4.1 machines if they don't have recoding support.
Are there enough such machines?
Michal, do you mean that PMA would be included in all these, not just the language files?
Yes -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:55:45 -0400 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
I would prefer "english only" with all the English charsets, to be compatible with pre-MySQL 4.1 machines if they don't have recoding support.
Are there enough such machines?
Yes, for example, godaddy.com (as told to me by one of their users).
Michal, do you mean that PMA would be included in all these, not just the language files?
Yes
Marc Delisle schrieb:
- english-utf-8 only
I would prefer "english only" with all the English charsets, to be compatible with pre-MySQL 4.1 machines if they don't have recoding support.
than they should use 'FULL' i would agree to en utf-8 only called phpMyAdmin-en-x.y.z? or phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-en? or phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-en-only?
- utf-8 only [this would be default download option] ok
means phpMyAdmin + utf-8 lang files? called phpMyAdmin-x.y.z? ok
- full ok
means phpMyAdmin with all lang files? called phpMyAdmin-full-x.y.z? or phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-full? ok -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
Hi On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:27:57 +0200 Sebastian Mendel <lists@sebastianmendel.de> wrote:
- full ok
means phpMyAdmin with all lang files?
Yes About naming I'd prefer something like: phpMyAdmin-english-x.y.z phpMyAdmin-default-x.y.z phpMyAdmin-full-x.y.z -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
- english-utf-8 only I would prefer "english only" with all the English charsets, to be compatible with pre-MySQL 4.1 machines if they don't have recoding support.
than they should use 'FULL'
i would agree to en utf-8 only
called phpMyAdmin-en-x.y.z? or phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-en? or phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-en-only?
Here are my suggestions: phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-en
- utf-8 only [this would be default download option] ok
means phpMyAdmin + utf-8 lang files?
called phpMyAdmin-x.y.z?
phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-all-utf-8
ok
- full ok
means phpMyAdmin with all lang files?
called phpMyAdmin-full-x.y.z? or phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-full?
phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-all This way, there would no longer be phpMyAdmin-x.y.z, so a user is forced to choose exactly what he wants. Is this good? I would be tempted to drop the .tar.gz files.
ok
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:11:16 -0400 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
This way, there would no longer be phpMyAdmin-x.y.z, so a user is forced to choose exactly what he wants. Is this good?
Yes, I also kept this in mind when proposing names :-).
I would be tempted to drop the .tar.gz files.
How about introducing 7zip? It's much smaller than other ones [1]. [1]: ftp://dl.cihar.com/phpMyAdmin/HEAD -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit :
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:11:16 -0400 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
This way, there would no longer be phpMyAdmin-x.y.z, so a user is forced to choose exactly what he wants. Is this good?
Yes, I also kept this in mind when proposing names :-).
Ok.
I would be tempted to drop the .tar.gz files.
How about introducing 7zip? It's much smaller than other ones [1].
[1]: ftp://dl.cihar.com/phpMyAdmin/HEAD
Is there a way on Linux to generate a .7z ? Marc
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:22:12 -0400 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Is there a way on Linux to generate a .7z ?
Of course, do you think I generate snapshots on Windows? :-) p7zip [1] can do it. [1]: http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/ -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit :
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:22:12 -0400 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Is there a way on Linux to generate a .7z ?
Of course, do you think I generate snapshots on Windows? :-) p7zip [1] can do it.
Good. Currently I generate the releases on my machine anyway since there is still a delay for anonymous CVS. I'll install p7zip and see what I can do. Marc
Michal Čihař schrieb:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:11:16 -0400 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
This way, there would no longer be phpMyAdmin-x.y.z, so a user is forced to choose exactly what he wants. Is this good?
Yes, I also kept this in mind when proposing names :-).
I would be tempted to drop the .tar.gz files.
ok
How about introducing 7zip? It's much smaller than other ones [1].
.zip created with 7-Zip are also smaller than current .zip files but marc refused some time ago, as he has no 7-Zip ... -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:27:00 +0200 Sebastian Mendel <lists@sebastianmendel.de> wrote:
.zip created with 7-Zip are also smaller than current .zip files
Ah I didn't know that. But the difference seems to be minimal (3% for phpMyAdmin HEAD with p7zip).
but marc refused some time ago, as he has no 7-Zip ...
There should be no problem in installing p7zip on sourceforge. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-all
all what? could somebody ask himself when he looks at the downloads
is there a more common abbreviation for this? something like 'int' or 'intl' or 'international'?
phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-english phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-all-languages phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-all-languages-utf-8-only
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-all all what? could somebody ask himself when he looks at the downloads
is there a more common abbreviation for this? something like 'int' or 'intl' or 'international'?
phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-english
phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-all-languages
phpMyAdmin-x.y.z-all-languages-utf-8-only
long, but clear! ok -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
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