[Phpmyadmin-devel] Hint for double-click (grid editing)
Hi, It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all grid-editable cells. To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this hint just once (per session?). Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this intuitive? Comments? -- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
Marc Delisle a écrit :
Hi, It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all grid-editable cells.
To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this hint just once (per session?).
Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this intuitive?
Comments?
Anyone? -- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
Hi Dne Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:13:27 -0700 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all grid-editable cells.
To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this hint just once (per session?).
I'd rather make some one help dialog, which will show help for all manipulations with browse view (sorting, choosing columns, moving columns, grid editing). Then we could show it in similar way github is offering Keyboard shortcuts: https://github.com/nijel/weblate/commits/master
Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this intuitive?
I think it pretty much collides with grid editing, so I'd be for removing it. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://phpmyadmin.net
Le 2012-10-24 08:09, Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:13:27 -0700 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all grid-editable cells.
To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this hint just once (per session?).
I'd rather make some one help dialog, which will show help for all manipulations with browse view (sorting, choosing columns, moving columns, grid editing).
Then we could show it in similar way github is offering Keyboard shortcuts:
This is an interesting idea, but I also like the current way that help is given (in context with the pointer).
Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this intuitive?
I think it pretty much collides with grid editing, so I'd be for removing it.
-- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
Hi Dne Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:14:46 -0400 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
This is an interesting idea, but I also like the current way that help is given (in context with the pointer).
The problem I see with this is that there is too many context help already - you can basically hover about any part of table title to get some help on it. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:14:46 -0400 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
This is an interesting idea, but I also like the current way that help is given (in context with the pointer).
The problem I see with this is that there is too many context help already - you can basically hover about any part of table title to get some help on it.
It's the first time I see a complaint about this context help. -- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:13:27 -0700 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all grid-editable cells.
To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this hint just once (per session?).
I'd rather make some one help dialog, which will show help for all manipulations with browse view (sorting, choosing columns, moving columns, grid editing).
Then we could show it in similar way github is offering Keyboard shortcuts:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/commits/master
Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this intuitive?
I think it pretty much collides with grid editing, so I'd be for removing it.
The "mark row on click" feature is now removed. Still need to make a decision about hints for double-click; expecting more feedback from developers. -- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
2012/11/1 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info>:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:13:27 -0700 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all grid-editable cells.
To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this hint just once (per session?).
I'd rather make some one help dialog, which will show help for all manipulations with browse view (sorting, choosing columns, moving columns, grid editing).
Then we could show it in similar way github is offering Keyboard shortcuts:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/commits/master
Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this intuitive?
I think it pretty much collides with grid editing, so I'd be for removing it.
The "mark row on click" feature is now removed.
Still need to make a decision about hints for double-click; expecting more feedback from developers.
Sorry for the late reply. I don't have a clear opinion yet on what would be the best way to notify the user of the directive to change the gridediting behaviour. Showing a tooltip every time you hover over a cell seems a bit too much, showing it only once per session can be missed, of course. But showing it more/longer can get anoying, so showing it just once seems like the best way to do it. I also like the idea of having a 'shortcuts' page, we can have both, I guess. -- Kind regards, Dieter Adriaenssens
Dieter Adriaenssens a écrit :
2012/11/1 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info>:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:13:27 -0700 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all grid-editable cells.
To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this hint just once (per session?). I'd rather make some one help dialog, which will show help for all manipulations with browse view (sorting, choosing columns, moving columns, grid editing).
Then we could show it in similar way github is offering Keyboard shortcuts:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/commits/master
Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this intuitive? I think it pretty much collides with grid editing, so I'd be for removing it. The "mark row on click" feature is now removed.
Still need to make a decision about hints for double-click; expecting more feedback from developers.
Sorry for the late reply.
I don't have a clear opinion yet on what would be the best way to notify the user of the directive to change the gridediting behaviour. Showing a tooltip every time you hover over a cell seems a bit too much, showing it only once per session can be missed, of course. But showing it more/longer can get anoying, so showing it just once seems like the best way to do it.
You mean once per session?
I also like the idea of having a 'shortcuts' page, we can have both, I guess.
-- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
2012/11/9 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info>:
Dieter Adriaenssens a écrit :
2012/11/1 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info>:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:13:27 -0700 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all grid-editable cells.
To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this hint just once (per session?). I'd rather make some one help dialog, which will show help for all manipulations with browse view (sorting, choosing columns, moving columns, grid editing).
Then we could show it in similar way github is offering Keyboard shortcuts:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/commits/master
Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this intuitive? I think it pretty much collides with grid editing, so I'd be for removing it. The "mark row on click" feature is now removed.
Still need to make a decision about hints for double-click; expecting more feedback from developers.
Sorry for the late reply.
I don't have a clear opinion yet on what would be the best way to notify the user of the directive to change the gridediting behaviour. Showing a tooltip every time you hover over a cell seems a bit too much, showing it only once per session can be missed, of course. But showing it more/longer can get anoying, so showing it just once seems like the best way to do it.
You mean once per session?
Yes.
I also like the idea of having a 'shortcuts' page, we can have both, I guess.
-- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
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-- Kind regards, Dieter Adriaenssens
Le 2012-11-09 12:15, Dieter Adriaenssens a écrit :
2012/11/9 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info>:
Dieter Adriaenssens a écrit :
2012/11/1 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info>:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:13:27 -0700 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all grid-editable cells.
To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this hint just once (per session?). I'd rather make some one help dialog, which will show help for all manipulations with browse view (sorting, choosing columns, moving columns, grid editing).
Then we could show it in similar way github is offering Keyboard shortcuts:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/commits/master
Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this intuitive? I think it pretty much collides with grid editing, so I'd be for removing it. The "mark row on click" feature is now removed.
Still need to make a decision about hints for double-click; expecting more feedback from developers.
Sorry for the late reply.
I don't have a clear opinion yet on what would be the best way to notify the user of the directive to change the gridediting behaviour. Showing a tooltip every time you hover over a cell seems a bit too much, showing it only once per session can be missed, of course. But showing it more/longer can get anoying, so showing it just once seems like the best way to do it.
You mean once per session?
Yes.
I noticed that there was already a grid editing hint so I took another approach, see https://github.com/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin/commit/8cad8c6b7bedf8a1e1955520dbac... My rationale is that if someone tries to click for grid editing and she notices that it does not work, she'll try to use the Edit link and will see the hint.
I also like the idea of having a 'shortcuts' page, we can have both, I guess.
-- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
2012/11/11 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info>:
Le 2012-11-09 12:15, Dieter Adriaenssens a écrit :
2012/11/9 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info>:
Dieter Adriaenssens a écrit :
2012/11/1 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info>:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:13:27 -0700 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
> It would be annoying to display a hint on mouseover for all > grid-editable cells. > > To help 3.5.x users learn about the double-click (which is now the > default action for grid editing in 4.0), we could display a hint when > the user clicks on the data row (which has the effect of selecting the > row, like the checkbox). However we must take care of displaying this > hint just once (per session?). I'd rather make some one help dialog, which will show help for all manipulations with browse view (sorting, choosing columns, moving columns, grid editing).
Then we could show it in similar way github is offering Keyboard shortcuts:
https://github.com/nijel/weblate/commits/master
> Also, what about removing the "select row on click" feature? Is this > intuitive? I think it pretty much collides with grid editing, so I'd be for removing it. The "mark row on click" feature is now removed.
Still need to make a decision about hints for double-click; expecting more feedback from developers.
Sorry for the late reply.
I don't have a clear opinion yet on what would be the best way to notify the user of the directive to change the gridediting behaviour. Showing a tooltip every time you hover over a cell seems a bit too much, showing it only once per session can be missed, of course. But showing it more/longer can get anoying, so showing it just once seems like the best way to do it.
You mean once per session?
Yes.
I noticed that there was already a grid editing hint so I took another approach, see https://github.com/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin/commit/8cad8c6b7bedf8a1e1955520dbac...
My rationale is that if someone tries to click for grid editing and she notices that it does not work, she'll try to use the Edit link and will see the hint.
Sounds good.
I also like the idea of having a 'shortcuts' page, we can have both, I guess.
-- Kind regards, Dieter Adriaenssens
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