[Phpmyadmin-devel] releasing 3.4.0
Hi, I suggest to release 3.4.0 this week-end, in order to start working on 3.4.1. -- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
Hi Dne Fri, 06 May 2011 06:25:42 -0400 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I suggest to release 3.4.0 this week-end, in order to start working on 3.4.1.
I'm fine with releasing at any point (though the weekend you suggested is over). Preferably ping me short before release so that I can merge any last minute translations before. PS: We now have 15 complete translations, Japanese being the latest addition. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Fri, 06 May 2011 06:25:42 -0400 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I suggest to release 3.4.0 this week-end, in order to start working on 3.4.1.
I'm fine with releasing at any point (though the weekend you suggested is over). Preferably ping me short before release so that I can merge any last minute translations before.
PS: We now have 15 complete translations, Japanese being the latest addition.
Question. Is your release procedure an automatic process or do you upload the files on sourceforge by hand? And secondly, why offer so many archive formats? I find having so many formats is a bit overwhelming for the average downloader. My random idea of the day would be: Remove .bz2 and .xz (wow, never heard of that one before) and instead put a <select>-List on the downloads page listing all downloadable languages that forward you to the download link of pma with only that particular language included. That shouldn't be so much work if the sf.net file upload is automatic, and adds quite some convenience to the users.
-- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
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Hi Dne Mon, 9 May 2011 11:26:40 +0200 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com> napsal(a):
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Fri, 06 May 2011 06:25:42 -0400 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I suggest to release 3.4.0 this week-end, in order to start working on 3.4.1.
I'm fine with releasing at any point (though the weekend you suggested is over). Preferably ping me short before release so that I can merge any last minute translations before.
PS: We now have 15 complete translations, Japanese being the latest addition.
Question. Is your release procedure an automatic process or do you upload the files on sourceforge by hand?
It's automated, see http://wiki.phpmyadmin.net/pma/Releasing
And secondly, why offer so many archive formats? I find having so many formats is a bit overwhelming for the average downloader.
Because the formats were requested. On main page only zip and tar.gz are offered, as these are pretty much standard.
My random idea of the day would be: Remove .bz2 and .xz (wow, never heard of that one before)
The .xz is new LZMA based compression, which is getting very popular on Linux, so no, we're not going to remove this one (and as you can see it offers best compression rates). bz2 might be eventually dropped, but too much people download it to do it right now.
and instead put a <select>-List on the downloads page listing all downloadable languages that forward you to the download link of pma with only that particular language included. That shouldn't be so much work if the sf.net file upload is automatic, and adds quite some convenience to the users.
Adding more language kits could be indeed useful, but I'd rather consider providing separate download for language files instead of creating all language variants with all compressions. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Mon, 9 May 2011 11:26:40 +0200 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com> napsal(a):
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Fri, 06 May 2011 06:25:42 -0400 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I suggest to release 3.4.0 this week-end, in order to start working on 3.4.1.
I'm fine with releasing at any point (though the weekend you suggested is over). Preferably ping me short before release so that I can merge any last minute translations before.
PS: We now have 15 complete translations, Japanese being the latest addition.
Question. Is your release procedure an automatic process or do you upload the files on sourceforge by hand?
It's automated, see http://wiki.phpmyadmin.net/pma/Releasing
And secondly, why offer so many archive formats? I find having so many formats is a bit overwhelming for the average downloader.
Because the formats were requested. On main page only zip and tar.gz are offered, as these are pretty much standard.
My random idea of the day would be: Remove .bz2 and .xz (wow, never heard of that one before)
The .xz is new LZMA based compression, which is getting very popular on Linux, so no, we're not going to remove this one (and as you can see it offers best compression rates). bz2 might be eventually dropped, but too much people download it to do it right now.
Looking at the numbers, for version 3.3.10 only 0.38% of the all languages package are being downloaded in the format .xz and 0.82% for the english version. It doesn't seem to be very popular at the moment.
and instead put a <select>-List on the downloads page listing all downloadable languages that forward you to the download link of pma with only that particular language included. That shouldn't be so much work if the sf.net file upload is automatic, and adds quite some convenience to the users.
Adding more language kits could be indeed useful, but I'd rather consider providing separate download for language files instead of creating all language variants with all compressions.
Isn't it more convenient for users to have the software available in their favorite language rather than their favorite archive format? The only difference with the different archive formats is waiting a few seconds more or less for it to be downloaded. Giving just 1 or 2 clear choices for the users makes it easier for them decide :)
-- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
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2011/5/9 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com>:
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Mon, 9 May 2011 11:26:40 +0200 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com> napsal(a):
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Fri, 06 May 2011 06:25:42 -0400 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I suggest to release 3.4.0 this week-end, in order to start working on 3.4.1.
I'm fine with releasing at any point (though the weekend you suggested is over). Preferably ping me short before release so that I can merge any last minute translations before.
PS: We now have 15 complete translations, Japanese being the latest addition.
Question. Is your release procedure an automatic process or do you upload the files on sourceforge by hand?
It's automated, see http://wiki.phpmyadmin.net/pma/Releasing
And secondly, why offer so many archive formats? I find having so many formats is a bit overwhelming for the average downloader.
Because the formats were requested. On main page only zip and tar.gz are offered, as these are pretty much standard.
My random idea of the day would be: Remove .bz2 and .xz (wow, never heard of that one before)
The .xz is new LZMA based compression, which is getting very popular on Linux, so no, we're not going to remove this one (and as you can see it offers best compression rates). bz2 might be eventually dropped, but too much people download it to do it right now.
Looking at the numbers, for version 3.3.10 only 0.38% of the all languages package are being downloaded in the format .xz and 0.82% for the english version. It doesn't seem to be very popular at the moment.
and instead put a <select>-List on the downloads page listing all downloadable languages that forward you to the download link of pma with only that particular language included. That shouldn't be so much work if the sf.net file upload is automatic, and adds quite some convenience to the users.
Adding more language kits could be indeed useful, but I'd rather consider providing separate download for language files instead of creating all language variants with all compressions.
Isn't it more convenient for users to have the software available in their favorite language rather than their favorite archive format?
It's a good idea to offer a localised download, but in practise it would mean we have to create, provide and host a package for every available language. It makes more sense to provide a package with all languages and a selector in the PMA-interface to choose the language (benefit of this system is that you can host PMA in every language available and the users can choose which language they prefer). Or a version with only one default language and the option to install language files (but that option is not available). It would be a better idea to implement this than creating an archive of the full pma-code for every language.
The only difference with the different archive formats is waiting a few seconds more or less for it to be downloaded.
Not everybody has broadband, so a few KiB or MiB less (because of better compression, or less languages) can mean a few minutes (or more) if you have a very slow internet connection (think modem, areas outside Europe/US, ...) Kind regards, Dieter
Hi Dne Mon, 9 May 2011 17:03:11 +0200 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com> napsal(a):
Looking at the numbers, for version 3.3.10 only 0.38% of the all languages package are being downloaded in the format .xz and 0.82% for the english version. It doesn't seem to be very popular at the moment.
It definitely is not, it's new format.
Isn't it more convenient for users to have the software available in their favorite language rather than their favorite archive format? The only difference with the different archive formats is waiting a few seconds more or less for it to be downloaded.
If the only difference is only few seconds, then everybody can download all languages version :-). The only point of making single language versions I can see is reducing download size.
Giving just 1 or 2 clear choices for the users makes it easier for them decide :)
That's why we have english and all languages sets only :-). -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Fri, 06 May 2011 06:25:42 -0400 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I suggest to release 3.4.0 this week-end, in order to start working on 3.4.1.
I'm fine with releasing at any point (though the weekend you suggested is over). Preferably ping me short before release so that I can merge any last minute translations before.
PS: We now have 15 complete translations, Japanese being the latest addition.
Also looking at the downloads page (http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/downloads.php) I see this: "Please note that 3.x versions require at least PHP 5.2 and MySQL 5 to use them." and a few lines lower: "Version compatible with PHP 5 and MySQL 5." Maybe it should mention 5.2, not 5.
-- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
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Oh and the p.date classes on the blog collector could need a "clear:both" ;) Blog entries with pics overlap eachother: http://planet.phpmyadmin.net/#http://blog.cihar.com/archives/2011/05/03/phpm... On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Fri, 06 May 2011 06:25:42 -0400 Marc Delisle <marc@infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I suggest to release 3.4.0 this week-end, in order to start working on 3.4.1.
I'm fine with releasing at any point (though the weekend you suggested is over). Preferably ping me short before release so that I can merge any last minute translations before.
PS: We now have 15 complete translations, Japanese being the latest addition.
Also looking at the downloads page (http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/downloads.php) I see this:
"Please note that 3.x versions require at least PHP 5.2 and MySQL 5 to use them."
and a few lines lower:
"Version compatible with PHP 5 and MySQL 5."
Maybe it should mention 5.2, not 5.
-- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd _______________________________________________ Phpmyadmin-devel mailing list Phpmyadmin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpmyadmin-devel
Hi Dne Mon, 9 May 2011 11:41:32 +0200 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com> napsal(a):
Oh and the p.date classes on the blog collector could need a "clear:both" ;)
Blog entries with pics overlap eachother: http://planet.phpmyadmin.net/#http://blog.cihar.com/archives/2011/05/03/phpm...
Fixed in git, though I don't see the issue here.
Also looking at the downloads page (http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/downloads.php) I see this:
"Please note that 3.x versions require at least PHP 5.2 and MySQL 5 to use them."
and a few lines lower:
"Version compatible with PHP 5 and MySQL 5."
Maybe it should mention 5.2, not 5.
Fixed in git as well. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Mon, 9 May 2011 11:41:32 +0200 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com> napsal(a):
Oh and the p.date classes on the blog collector could need a "clear:both" ;)
Blog entries with pics overlap eachother: http://planet.phpmyadmin.net/#http://blog.cihar.com/archives/2011/05/03/phpm...
Fixed in git, though I don't see the issue here.
Thats what I see in Chrome: http://www.tyron.at/tmp/planet_pma.png
2011/5/9 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com>:
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Mon, 9 May 2011 11:41:32 +0200 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com> napsal(a):
Oh and the p.date classes on the blog collector could need a "clear:both" ;)
Blog entries with pics overlap eachother: http://planet.phpmyadmin.net/#http://blog.cihar.com/archives/2011/05/03/phpm...
Fixed in git, though I don't see the issue here.
Thats what I see in Chrome: http://www.tyron.at/tmp/planet_pma.png
I can confirm this behaviour for Chrome. On a side note : I must say that this blog post is a bit messed up considering layout and use of html-tags (I know, because it's mine and at the time I created it didn't have the time to do it right) Kind regards, Dieter
Hi Dne Mon, 9 May 2011 20:16:11 +0200 Dieter Adriaenssens <dieter.adriaenssens@gmail.com> napsal(a):
2011/5/9 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com>:
Thats what I see in Chrome: http://www.tyron.at/tmp/planet_pma.png
I can confirm this behaviour for Chrome.
I've updated the CSS yesterday and it seems to render correctly in Webkit now, so I assume it is fixed for Chrome as well. Am I right? -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
2011/5/10 Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com>:
Hi
Dne Mon, 9 May 2011 20:16:11 +0200 Dieter Adriaenssens <dieter.adriaenssens@gmail.com> napsal(a):
2011/5/9 Tyron Madlener <tyronx@gmail.com>:
Thats what I see in Chrome: http://www.tyron.at/tmp/planet_pma.png
I can confirm this behaviour for Chrome.
I've updated the CSS yesterday and it seems to render correctly in Webkit now, so I assume it is fixed for Chrome as well. Am I right?
In Chrome on Win7 it is displayed correctly now. Kind regards, Dieter
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