Hi,
My name is Dougal. I am a 4th year programming student in Scotland.
I am undertaking a honours project on AJAX. I have chosen phpMyAdmin to demonstrate my work as I have to take a previously existing PHP program and add a AJAX spin to the user interface.
I'll keep you posted with my updates.Advice advice or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Dougal
Dougal Matthews schrieb:
Hi,
Hi,
My name is Dougal. I am a 4th year programming student in Scotland.
I am undertaking a honours project on AJAX. I have chosen phpMyAdmin to demonstrate my work as I have to take a previously existing PHP program and add a AJAX spin to the user interface.
this sounds great
but possible there is already another developer working on this, Michael Keck, possible you should write to him, if he does not answer directly here in this list
possible Marc will also leave a note as soon as he reads your posting
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Dougal Matthews schrieb:
Hi,
Hi,
My name is Dougal. I am a 4th year programming student in Scotland.
I am undertaking a honours project on AJAX. I have chosen phpMyAdmin to demonstrate my work as I have to take a previously existing PHP program and add a AJAX spin to the user interface.
this sounds great
but possible there is already another developer working on this, Michael Keck, possible you should write to him, if he does not answer directly here in this list
possible Marc will also leave a note as soon as he reads your posting
Douglas contacted me and I redirected him to this list.
About adding AJAX, I hope to see small patches that are easier to merge, and also possibly a configuration directive to enable/disable AJAX features in phpMyAdmin.
Marc
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:31:51 -0500 Marc Delisle Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca wrote:
About adding AJAX, I hope to see small patches that are easier to merge, and also possibly a configuration directive to enable/disable AJAX features in phpMyAdmin.
I don't see need to disable AJAX as long as everything is working with disabled javascript...
Michal Čihař a écrit :
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:31:51 -0500 Marc Delisle Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca wrote:
About adding AJAX, I hope to see small patches that are easier to merge, and also possibly a configuration directive to enable/disable AJAX features in phpMyAdmin.
I don't see need to disable AJAX as long as everything is working with disabled javascript...
I read that AJAX generates more trips to the server (even if it looks like the page is refreshed less often), so what if someone does not want that?
Marc
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:31:51 -0500 Marc Delisle Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca wrote:
About adding AJAX, I hope to see small patches that are easier to merge, and also possibly a configuration directive to enable/disable AJAX features in phpMyAdmin.
I don't see need to disable AJAX as long as everything is working with disabled javascript...
I read that AJAX generates more trips to the server (even if it looks like the page is refreshed less often), so what if someone does not want that?
yes, but one positive thing about ajax (right used) is it saves bandwidth, as it only transmit data required/changed - this of course is not only an advantage for the client but for the server too
but it tends toward if having ajax on the hands to add much more functionality than you would have without ajax - this will possible increase traffic
but this not caused by ajax, but by the more functionality
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 04:40:10AM -0500, Marc Delisle wrote:
I read that AJAX generates more trips to the server (even if it looks like the page is refreshed less often), so what if someone does not want that?
I'd like to echo Marc's comment here. AJAX works fine when you have low latency, but with high latencies (think satellite links where the downstream latency is 250ms [geosynchronous orbit and back], and upstream is often higher), and it becomes a lot more of a problem. I used such a connection on a ship at one point, and despite being a 15Mbit pipe, it was unusable for anything that expected interactivity.
I have no objections to AJAX support, but there must be a way to turn it off.
Robin H. Johnson schrieb:
On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 04:40:10AM -0500, Marc Delisle wrote:
I read that AJAX generates more trips to the server (even if it looks like the page is refreshed less often), so what if someone does not want that?
I'd like to echo Marc's comment here. AJAX works fine when you have low latency, but with high latencies (think satellite links where the downstream latency is 250ms [geosynchronous orbit and back], and upstream is often higher), and it becomes a lot more of a problem. I used such a connection on a ship at one point, and despite being a 15Mbit pipe, it was unusable for anything that expected interactivity.
I have no objections to AJAX support, but there must be a way to turn it off.
an option to turn it off could be usefull,
but the problem you mention above should be handled transparently by the application
the ajax in the application is responsible to interact with the customer - not the server - so the ajax has to handle delays and take proper actions.
is see no difference in waiting for ajax to transmit and recieve data - or waiting for a whole page to be loaded after submitting the form ... the only difference is that loading the whole page will even take longer than ajax loading only relevant data ...
Hi
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:10:52 +0000 "Dougal Matthews" dougal85@gmail.com wrote:
My name is Dougal. I am a 4th year programming student in Scotland.
I am undertaking a honours project on AJAX. I have chosen phpMyAdmin to demonstrate my work as I have to take a previously existing PHP program and add a AJAX spin to the user interface.
I'll keep you posted with my updates.Advice advice or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your effort.
BTW: Where do you want to use AJAX? There are some features in feature requests tracker which definitely need AJAX usage, so maybe you could start with them...
Hi, I'm still in the early stages of the project and I am still identifying the areas that i want to add this functionality. I will take a look at the feature request and consider these.
I do not plan on creating what feels like a 'complete' AJAX application like windows live mail, gmail etc. As i don't think this is the best use of this architecture and also I have time constraints.
Some particular areas that I have considered so far include, editing tables. Save you having to click through various pages and clicking save etc. Another was making SQL queries return the result with AJAX, this would make querying allot more 'enjoyable' (if it ever can be enjoyable :))
There are many places that I thought could experience advantages with the use of this technology...
As I am doing it as a project for my final year in university my advice from my supervisor may influence what I work on along with time constraints. When I have a working list of goals I will post it.
Dougal
On 24/11/06, Michal Čihař michal@cihar.com wrote:
Hi
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:10:52 +0000 "Dougal Matthews" dougal85@gmail.com wrote:
My name is Dougal. I am a 4th year programming student in Scotland.
I am undertaking a honours project on AJAX. I have chosen phpMyAdmin to demonstrate my work as I have to take a previously existing PHP program
and
add a AJAX spin to the user interface.
I'll keep you posted with my updates.Advice advice or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your effort.
BTW: Where do you want to use AJAX? There are some features in feature requests tracker which definitely need AJAX usage, so maybe you could start with them...
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