[Phpmyadmin-devel] font sizes, css, IE quirks mode, scrollbars
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, at the moment phpMyAdmin forces IE into quirks mode, what makes most of the current CSS problems removing the XML declaration enables standard compliance mode for IE, what makes IE to behave 'more' towards the CSS standards but this also reveals the horizontal/vertical scrollbar bug IE displays a unneeded/unwanted horizontal scroll bar as soon as it display a vertical scrollbar, whether the horizontal scrollbar is required or not. there is no satisfying solution on the web (most just completely remove the horizontal scroll bar or display them always) i have figured out some possible solutions: http://sebastianmendel.de/ie_scrollbar_bug/frameset.htm the first two uses conditional CSS, the first seems to be make problems, the second seems to work fine - just the space between window-border and content is now between scrollbar and window and not between scrollbar and content the third is a (bot complete) JavaScript solution - -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEq4+IX/0lClpZDr4RAgNaAKCdw1fw1CAcubxTZgrwH6kF5JVu0wCfcKdq N78O1MofDCr/umrQ+0tUG04= =IVnB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
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Hi,
at the moment phpMyAdmin forces IE into quirks mode, what makes most of the current CSS problems
removing the XML declaration enables standard compliance mode for IE, what makes IE to behave 'more' towards the CSS standards
but this also reveals the horizontal/vertical scrollbar bug
IE displays a unneeded/unwanted horizontal scroll bar as soon as it display a vertical scrollbar, whether the horizontal scrollbar is required or not.
there is no satisfying solution on the web (most just completely remove the horizontal scroll bar or display them always)
i have figured out some possible solutions:
http://sebastianmendel.de/ie_scrollbar_bug/frameset.htm
the first two uses conditional CSS, the first seems to be make problems, the second seems to work fine - just the space between window-border and content is now between scrollbar and window and not between scrollbar and content
the third is a (bot complete) JavaScript solution
Sebastian, forcing a vertical scrollbar solves this IE horizontal scrollbar problem: html { overflow-y: scroll; } What do you think about it? Marc
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
at the moment phpMyAdmin forces IE into quirks mode, what makes most of the current CSS problems
removing the XML declaration enables standard compliance mode for IE, what makes IE to behave 'more' towards the CSS standards
but this also reveals the horizontal/vertical scrollbar bug
IE displays a unneeded/unwanted horizontal scroll bar as soon as it display a vertical scrollbar, whether the horizontal scrollbar is required or not.
there is no satisfying solution on the web (most just completely remove the horizontal scroll bar or display them always)
i have figured out some possible solutions:
http://sebastianmendel.de/ie_scrollbar_bug/frameset.htm
the first two uses conditional CSS, the first seems to be make problems, the second seems to work fine - just the space between window-border and content is now between scrollbar and window and not between scrollbar and content
the third is a (bot complete) JavaScript solution
Sebastian, forcing a vertical scrollbar solves this IE horizontal scrollbar problem:
html { overflow-y: scroll; }
What do you think about it?
yes, this is also one of the mentioned solutions i do not prefer, so we would have always a scrollbar in navigation frame! of course this is not a problem at all, but - it looks ugly - it wastes spaces, especially in the navigation frame but it is also a more 'cleaner' and smaller solution ... i don't know - -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEq7Q6X/0lClpZDr4RAry2AJ48Sx3loXHQt/Ga71xepUcC7CD4KgCfXS3L zKnD7+Ig0T7IreUBnNNSeEU= =+xET -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
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Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
at the moment phpMyAdmin forces IE into quirks mode, what makes most of the current CSS problems
removing the XML declaration enables standard compliance mode for IE, what makes IE to behave 'more' towards the CSS standards
but this also reveals the horizontal/vertical scrollbar bug
IE displays a unneeded/unwanted horizontal scroll bar as soon as it display a vertical scrollbar, whether the horizontal scrollbar is required or not.
there is no satisfying solution on the web (most just completely remove the horizontal scroll bar or display them always)
i have figured out some possible solutions:
http://sebastianmendel.de/ie_scrollbar_bug/frameset.htm
the first two uses conditional CSS, the first seems to be make problems, the second seems to work fine - just the space between window-border and content is now between scrollbar and window and not between scrollbar and content
the third is a (bot complete) JavaScript solution Sebastian, forcing a vertical scrollbar solves this IE horizontal scrollbar problem:
html { overflow-y: scroll; }
What do you think about it?
yes, this is also one of the mentioned solutions i do not prefer, so we would have always a scrollbar in navigation frame!
of course this is not a problem at all, but
- it looks ugly - it wastes spaces, especially in the navigation frame
but it is also a more 'cleaner' and smaller solution ... i don't know
Yes it's cleaner, smaller, less code to maintain and understand... especially since we are doing it as a bug workaround! Maybe we could force this vertical scrollbar only if we detect IE 6? I say IE 6 because they might fix this for IE 7? Marc
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
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Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
at the moment phpMyAdmin forces IE into quirks mode, what makes most of the current CSS problems
removing the XML declaration enables standard compliance mode for IE, what makes IE to behave 'more' towards the CSS standards
but this also reveals the horizontal/vertical scrollbar bug
IE displays a unneeded/unwanted horizontal scroll bar as soon as it display a vertical scrollbar, whether the horizontal scrollbar is required or not.
there is no satisfying solution on the web (most just completely remove the horizontal scroll bar or display them always)
i have figured out some possible solutions:
http://sebastianmendel.de/ie_scrollbar_bug/frameset.htm
the first two uses conditional CSS, the first seems to be make problems, the second seems to work fine - just the space between window-border and content is now between scrollbar and window and not between scrollbar and content
the third is a (bot complete) JavaScript solution Sebastian, forcing a vertical scrollbar solves this IE horizontal scrollbar problem:
html { overflow-y: scroll; }
What do you think about it? yes, this is also one of the mentioned solutions i do not prefer, so we would have always a scrollbar in navigation frame!
of course this is not a problem at all, but
- it looks ugly - it wastes spaces, especially in the navigation frame
but it is also a more 'cleaner' and smaller solution ... i don't know
Yes it's cleaner, smaller, less code to maintain and understand... especially since we are doing it as a bug workaround!
a bugfix for about more 50% of the people, just remember all this posts about font size - do you think no one will blame on us for the scrollbars? but i have no problem with this - i don't use IE and both workarounds affect only IE
Maybe we could force this vertical scrollbar only if we detect IE 6? I say IE 6 because they might fix this for IE 7?
yes, with conditional css, like i have it on the above mentioned site too - check the different scrollbar positions in FF and IE -- Sebastian
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
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Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
at the moment phpMyAdmin forces IE into quirks mode, what makes most of the current CSS problems
removing the XML declaration enables standard compliance mode for IE, what makes IE to behave 'more' towards the CSS standards
but this also reveals the horizontal/vertical scrollbar bug
IE displays a unneeded/unwanted horizontal scroll bar as soon as it display a vertical scrollbar, whether the horizontal scrollbar is required or not.
there is no satisfying solution on the web (most just completely remove the horizontal scroll bar or display them always)
i have figured out some possible solutions:
http://sebastianmendel.de/ie_scrollbar_bug/frameset.htm
the first two uses conditional CSS, the first seems to be make problems, the second seems to work fine - just the space between window-border and content is now between scrollbar and window and not between scrollbar and content
the third is a (bot complete) JavaScript solution Sebastian, forcing a vertical scrollbar solves this IE horizontal scrollbar problem:
html { overflow-y: scroll; }
What do you think about it? yes, this is also one of the mentioned solutions i do not prefer, so we would have always a scrollbar in navigation frame!
of course this is not a problem at all, but
- it looks ugly - it wastes spaces, especially in the navigation frame
but it is also a more 'cleaner' and smaller solution ... i don't know Yes it's cleaner, smaller, less code to maintain and understand... especially since we are doing it as a bug workaround!
a bugfix for about more 50% of the people, just remember all this posts about font size - do you think no one will blame on us for the scrollbars?
Yes of course we have to do our best about this. Do you have a test machine with IE 7 beta3 installed? I would be curious about the scrollbar bug on this version?
but i have no problem with this - i don't use IE and both workarounds affect only IE
Maybe we could force this vertical scrollbar only if we detect IE 6? I say IE 6 because they might fix this for IE 7?
yes, with conditional css, like i have it on the above mentioned site too - check the different scrollbar positions in FF and IE
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
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Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
at the moment phpMyAdmin forces IE into quirks mode, what makes most of the current CSS problems
removing the XML declaration enables standard compliance mode for IE, what makes IE to behave 'more' towards the CSS standards
but this also reveals the horizontal/vertical scrollbar bug
IE displays a unneeded/unwanted horizontal scroll bar as soon as it display a vertical scrollbar, whether the horizontal scrollbar is required or not.
there is no satisfying solution on the web (most just completely remove the horizontal scroll bar or display them always)
i have figured out some possible solutions:
http://sebastianmendel.de/ie_scrollbar_bug/frameset.htm
the first two uses conditional CSS, the first seems to be make problems, the second seems to work fine - just the space between window-border and content is now between scrollbar and window and not between scrollbar and content
the third is a (bot complete) JavaScript solution Sebastian, forcing a vertical scrollbar solves this IE horizontal scrollbar problem:
html { overflow-y: scroll; }
What do you think about it? yes, this is also one of the mentioned solutions i do not prefer, so we would have always a scrollbar in navigation frame!
of course this is not a problem at all, but
- it looks ugly - it wastes spaces, especially in the navigation frame
but it is also a more 'cleaner' and smaller solution ... i don't know Yes it's cleaner, smaller, less code to maintain and understand... especially since we are doing it as a bug workaround! a bugfix for about more 50% of the people, just remember all this posts about font size - do you think no one will blame on us for the scrollbars?
Yes of course we have to do our best about this.
Do you have a test machine with IE 7 beta3 installed? I would be curious about the scrollbar bug on this version?
it is the same with IE 7 -- Sebastian
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
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Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit : > Hi, > > at the moment phpMyAdmin forces IE into quirks mode, what makes most of > the current CSS problems > > removing the XML declaration enables standard compliance mode for IE, > what makes IE to behave 'more' towards the CSS standards > > but this also reveals the horizontal/vertical scrollbar bug > > IE displays a unneeded/unwanted horizontal scroll bar as soon as it > display a vertical scrollbar, whether the horizontal scrollbar is > required or not. > > there is no satisfying solution on the web (most just completely remove > the horizontal scroll bar or display them always) > > > i have figured out some possible solutions: > > http://sebastianmendel.de/ie_scrollbar_bug/frameset.htm > > the first two uses conditional CSS, the first seems to be make problems, > the second seems to work fine - just the space between window-border and > content is now between scrollbar and window and not between scrollbar > and content > > the third is a (bot complete) JavaScript solution Sebastian, forcing a vertical scrollbar solves this IE horizontal scrollbar problem:
html { overflow-y: scroll; }
What do you think about it? yes, this is also one of the mentioned solutions i do not prefer, so we would have always a scrollbar in navigation frame!
of course this is not a problem at all, but
- it looks ugly - it wastes spaces, especially in the navigation frame
but it is also a more 'cleaner' and smaller solution ... i don't know Yes it's cleaner, smaller, less code to maintain and understand... especially since we are doing it as a bug workaround! a bugfix for about more 50% of the people, just remember all this posts about font size - do you think no one will blame on us for the scrollbars? Yes of course we have to do our best about this.
Do you have a test machine with IE 7 beta3 installed? I would be curious about the scrollbar bug on this version?
it is the same with IE 7
You mean IE 7 beta3! Oh sh*t :) If we have to choose between having the horizontal scrollbar bug and to force a vertical scrollbar, I would go with forcing the vertical one; I think that very often, users are in the situation where a real vertical bar has to be shown anyway. Marc
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