14 Jun
2002
14 Jun
'02
11:33 a.m.
Hi translators
Since today phpMyAdmin allows using other charset in HTTP and when working
with mysql. This requires translations to use some charset that won't break
anything during conversion. Currently will be used utf-8 so translations
should be converted to this charset, while also keeping current one to allow
working in some browsers (are there any?) which don't support utf-8.
Majority of these conversion can be done automatically with script I wrote,
but I need you to check if there didn't occur any problem. This script can do
also conversion between charsets being used in one translation (for example
czech translation had till now two version, one in windows-1250 and one in
iso-8859-2).
There are also some "problematical" translations which will require
translators co-operation. These are:
georgian (because of x-user-defined charset is not supported by iconv)
hebrew (because of iso-8859-8-i charset is not supported by iconv)
korean (because of ks_c_5601-1987 charset is not supported by iconv)
slovak (because there are two a bit different translations maintained by two
people and now only one of them is needed, other will be generated
automatically, so I need to know which one will be maintained)
chinesse (there are two translations - chinese_big5 and chinese_gb - and I
really don't know whether to handle them as two separate translations or just
as one in different charsets)
I converted current cvs version to utf-8 (where it worked) and the result is
available at http://cihar.liten.cz/PMA-translations/. There is also script
which does this conversion (sync_lang.sh). So please have a look at your
converted translation and send me your comments.
Regards
Michal Cihar
nijel at users dot sourceforge dot net
http://cihar.liten.cz
14 Jun
14 Jun
11:36 p.m.
Hello,
Everything seems to look fine. My editor don't understand
utf-8, but in viewer everything is good. I'm writing about
Lithuanian translation.
Vilius Zigmantas,
Programmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michal Cihar" <nijel(a)users.sourceforge.net>
To: <phpmyadmin-translators(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:30 PM
Subject: [Phpmyadmin-translators] Changes in translations
Hi translators
Since today phpMyAdmin allows using other charset in HTTP and when working
with mysql. This requires translations to use some charset that won't break
anything during conversion. Currently will be used utf-8 so translations
should be converted to this charset, while also keeping current one to allow
working in some browsers (are there any?) which don't support utf-8.
Majority of these conversion can be done automatically with script I wrote,
but I need you to check if there didn't occur any problem. This script can do
also conversion between charsets being used in one translation (for example
czech translation had till now two version, one in windows-1250 and one in
iso-8859-2).
There are also some "problematical" translations which will require
translators co-operation. These are:
georgian (because of x-user-defined charset is not supported by iconv)
hebrew (because of iso-8859-8-i charset is not supported by iconv)
korean (because of ks_c_5601-1987 charset is not supported by iconv)
slovak (because there are two a bit different translations maintained by two
people and now only one of them is needed, other will be generated
automatically, so I need to know which one will be maintained)
chinesse (there are two translations - chinese_big5 and chinese_gb - and I
really don't know whether to handle them as two separate translations or just
as one in different charsets)
I converted current cvs version to utf-8 (where it worked) and the result is
available at http://cihar.liten.cz/PMA-translations/. There is also script
which does this conversion (sync_lang.sh). So please have a look at your
converted translation and send me your comments.
Regards
Michal Cihar
nijel at users dot sourceforge dot net
http://cihar.liten.cz
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15 Jun
15 Jun
6:31 a.m.
Hi,
May be i give some information about Chinese Language first.
Offically there are 2 Chinese Languages (include Writing and Pronunciation).
Chinese Traditional - Using BIG5 Code - Taiwan and Hong Kong use this.
Chinese Simplified - Using GB codec - China use this.
I won't tell why Chinese have two different languages. It is a little bit
based on Chinese History.
On pronunciation, Chinese Traditional and Chinese Simplified is very
different.
On writing, Some Chinese Traditional and Chinese Simplified character is the
same (I think about 5-10%),
other is different. (Chinese is different with other languages such as
English or Japan, every "character" have their own meaning, not like EN or
JP differnet character combine with one "word" with meaning. )
In dictionary, there are more than 20 thousands of "Character" (or call
"WORD" in English), but in computer (charset), not ALL the character is
included in the BIG5/GB code, (as i remember) about 13 thousands of
"character" can be type out in BIG5. (i don't know how many character is
included in GB because i am HK guy. We don't use GB but we have convertor to
convert BIG5 <-> GB. )
In Language, One "English" meaning in Chinese "Traditional" and
"Simplified"
are different. So BIG5 and GB Translation is DIRRERENT.
More littlebit theory on computer charset.
Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc.. These we call it "Double-Bytes Character".
It mean we use 2 bytes to store ONE Character. If we split out these two
bytes.
The first bytes is a ASCII >= Hex 0x81 (129 in Dec) and second bytes is
ASCII >= 0x40 (64 in Dec).
I think programmer should know that after ASCII 0x40 (64), these are English
Characters (A-Z) , so on processing those double-bytes string in
programming, so many ERROR will occur.
Although Some Chinese Traditional and Chinese Simplified character is the
same writing, but they are NOT same code in BIG5 and GB (May be after
converted to UTF-8 is the same.)
PS. I have some confuse on UTF-8 and Unicode. UTF-8 and Unicode is the same
? After W2K, Office 2K is using Unicode , i still don't know the different
of UTF-8 and Unicode.So pls reply if anyone know.
After i read on the libiconv pages (http://www.gnu.org/software/libiconv/)
just now. (I don't know PHP have iconv library before because I am not a
linux user.) I want to tell some special cases on BIG5 in Taiwan and Hong
Kong.
As not all the Chinese character is included in BIG5, and BIG5 was invented
in Taiwan. Some Chinese Characters common use in Hong Kong is not included
in BIG5. So a new charset call "BIG5-HKSCS" (Hong Kong Supplementary
Character Set) appeared. It based on BIG5 and add about 4 thousands of new
characters after the BIG5 charset.
More info on HKSCS from HK Government
http://www.info.gov.hk/digital21/eng/hkscs/introduction.html
A more little bit info on MS Windows (if you hate MS, pls skip it :p )
Chinese Traditional version of MS Windows is produced (or called
"Translated" is better) in Taiwan, Hong Kong is also selling the Taiwan
version of Windows), so MS provide a "Solution" on HKSCS. Download by the
User themselves in here : http://www.microsoft.com/hk/hkscs/
Come back to libiconv, as i see in Chinese section, libiconv support BIG5,
GB and BIG5-HKSCS. I don't know how it function in phpMyAdmin (dunno use can
select the Original charset or it auto detect by php),
and dunno the convertion table on BIG5-HKSCS in libiconv whether BIG5-HKSCS
contain all BIG5 and HKSCS or it just have HKSCS and no original BIG5 table.
Hope I can get the answer later after i can test those function in
phpMyAdmin. Another Chinese charset in libiconv, some are already outdated
(used in may years ago in DOS...) and some are not popular (May be Windows
not supported that), so those charset can be ignored.
Last one point...I have updated the Chinese Traditional and Simplified
translation and attached in the mail.
Also i have tryed using UTF-8 viewer to see the UTF-8 version of the
translation file and no problem.
I feel sorry if anybody feel that it is a long long and rubbish email..
Siu Sun
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michal Cihar" <nijel(a)users.sourceforge.net>
To: <phpmyadmin-translators(a)lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 5:30 AM
Subject: [Phpmyadmin-translators] Changes in translations
Hi translators
Since today phpMyAdmin allows using other charset in HTTP and when working
with mysql. This requires translations to use some charset that won't
break
anything during conversion. Currently will be used
utf-8 so translations
should be converted to this charset, while also keeping current one to
allow
working in some browsers (are there any?) which
don't support utf-8.
chinesse (there are two translations - chinese_big5 and chinese_gb - and I
really don't know whether to handle them as two separate translations or
just
as one in different charsets)
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8:21 a.m.
Hi,
--- Siu Sun <siusun(a)best-view.net> wrote:
Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc.. These we call it
"Double-Bytes Character".
the nickname of this group is CJK.
there's CJKV, which V is for Vietnamese.
Vietnam also use Chinese character.
PS. I have some confuse on UTF-8 and Unicode. UTF-8
and Unicode is the same
Unicode is just a general name, an organization name.
if you need to made a specific to encoding name,
the popular one is UCS-2.
UCS-2 encoding is like what you have mentioned,
using two bytes for one characters.
(UCS = Universal Character Set)
But like you've also mentioned, two bytes character
processing led many problem with legacy system.
To solve this compatibiltiy problem,
Unicode introduces UTF-8 encoding.
UTF is UCS Transformation Format, this means
UTF try to kept UCS's double-bytes char
in the form of ASCII single-byte char.
(so, the plain ASCII file is also counted as UTF-8
file)
U+0000..U+007F: 0xxxxxxx
U+0080..U+07FF: 110xxxxx 10xxxxxx
U+0800..U+FFFF: 1110xxxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx
with this scheme,
some characters (from U+0000..U+007F which is
essentially ASCII 0x00..0x7F) will not change,
some characters (from U+0080..U+07FF) will be
kept using two bytes, and some characters
will be kept using three bytes.
for more details, go
http://www.unicode.org/glossary/
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html#utf-8
----
for brief,
* Unicode is not official name of any encoding.
* Unicode != UTF-8
:)
Art
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3:42 a.m.
Michal Cihar wrote:
Hi translators
Since today phpMyAdmin allows using other charset in HTTP and when working
with mysql. This requires translations to use some charset that won't break
anything during conversion. Currently will be used utf-8 so translations
should be converted to this charset, while also keeping current one to allow
working in some browsers (are there any?) which don't support utf-8.
Majority of these conversion can be done automatically with script I wrote,
but I need you to check if there didn't occur any problem. This script can do
also conversion between charsets being used in one translation (for example
czech translation had till now two version, one in windows-1250 and one in
iso-8859-2).
There are also some "problematical" translations which will require
translators co-operation. These are:
georgian (because of x-user-defined charset is not supported by iconv)
hebrew (because of iso-8859-8-i charset is not supported by iconv)
korean (because of ks_c_5601-1987 charset is not supported by iconv)
slovak (because there are two a bit different translations maintained by two
people and now only one of them is needed, other will be generated
automatically, so I need to know which one will be maintained)
Michal,
with permission from the slovak windows-1250 translator, I removed his
file, and now slovak-windows-1250 is
generated with sync_lang.sh, from the iso-8859-2 file.
By the way, now that I renamed the file slovak-windows-1250.inc.php3
instead of slovak-win1250.inc.php3,
the charset line it it has become:
$charset = 'windows-1250';
It is ok from the browser point of view?
Marc
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