Hi all
as the deadline for theme submission is over, we should create a survey to choose the default theme.
As we have only three submissions, I propose to include all themes we currently have for 3.4. Links to demo server and screenshots are currently on the wiki:
http://wiki.phpmyadmin.net/pma/Themes_in_Contest
I've tried to setup survey on sf.net using LimeSurvey, but I failed:
https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/ticket/17576
Anyway if you are developer, you should be able to ask for access to LimeSurvey at https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/features.php?group_id=23067
and go to survey preview to see it.
Hi,
Anyway if you are developer, you should be able to ask for access to LimeSurvey at https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/features.php?group_id=23067
I believe this section is only available for project admins, not for every developer.
and go to survey preview to see it.
There is a link to LimeSurvey for PMA : [0], but it lists no surveys, probably because they are still in preview.
[0] https://sourceforge.net/apps/limesurvey/phpmyadmin/
Kind regards,
Dieter
Dieter Adriaenssens a écrit :
Hi,
Anyway if you are developer, you should be able to ask for access to LimeSurvey at https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/features.php?group_id=23067
I believe this section is only available for project admins, not for every developer.
I confirm.
and go to survey preview to see it.
There is a link to LimeSurvey for PMA : [0], but it lists no surveys, probably because they are still in preview.
Yes, this is because Michal got an error message when trying to activate the survey.
[0] https://sourceforge.net/apps/limesurvey/phpmyadmin/
Kind regards,
Dieter
The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb _______________________________________________ Phpmyadmin-devel mailing list Phpmyadmin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpmyadmin-devel
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
as the deadline for theme submission is over, we should create a survey to choose the default theme.
As we have only three submissions, I propose to include all themes we currently have for 3.4. Links to demo server and screenshots are currently on the wiki:
http://wiki.phpmyadmin.net/pma/Themes_in_Contest
I've tried to setup survey on sf.net using LimeSurvey, but I failed:
You got a message "Attempt XSRF Detected!". I also get this message when trying to do a mass update on a tracker.
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:44:28 -0500 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
You got a message "Attempt XSRF Detected!". I also get this message when trying to do a mass update on a tracker.
Hmm, looks like another sf.net sitewide breakage :-).
Anyway I'm trying to set up the survey here right now on http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com
The draft is publicly visible here:
http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com/index.php?sid=72977&newtest=Y&lang=e...
Please send me any comments to it, so that I can adjust the questionnaire.
I'd like to finalize the questionnaire today or tomorrow and leave it open till 28th February. I think almost two weeks are enough and end of month looks like an easy to remember deadline.
2011/2/14 Michal Čihař michal@cihar.com:
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:44:28 -0500 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
You got a message "Attempt XSRF Detected!". I also get this message when trying to do a mass update on a tracker.
Hmm, looks like another sf.net sitewide breakage :-).
Anyway I'm trying to set up the survey here right now on http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com
The draft is publicly visible here:
http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com/index.php?sid=72977&newtest=Y&lang=e...
Please send me any comments to it, so that I can adjust the questionnaire.
Maybe the option 'more than two' can be added to the question of how many themes should be included in the download kit?
I'd like to finalize the questionnaire today or tomorrow and leave it open till 28th February. I think almost two weeks are enough and end of month looks like an easy to remember deadline.
-- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb _______________________________________________ Phpmyadmin-devel mailing list Phpmyadmin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpmyadmin-devel
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:14:50 +0100 Dieter Adriaenssens dieter.adriaenssens@gmail.com napsal(a):
Maybe the option 'more than two' can be added to the question of how many themes should be included in the download kit?
I thought that including two is enough, each basically adds something like 800 KiB to the size. But I'm open to change it.
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:14:50 +0100 Dieter Adriaenssens dieter.adriaenssens@gmail.com napsal(a):
Maybe the option 'more than two' can be added to the question of how many themes should be included in the download kit?
I thought that including two is enough, each basically adds something like 800 KiB to the size. But I'm open to change it.
I agree that two is the maximum (at least for our kits; of course, distros can do what they want).
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:44:28 -0500 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
You got a message "Attempt XSRF Detected!". I also get this message when trying to do a mass update on a tracker.
Hmm, looks like another sf.net sitewide breakage :-).
Anyway I'm trying to set up the survey here right now on http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com
The draft is publicly visible here:
http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com/index.php?sid=72977&newtest=Y&lang=e...
Please send me any comments to it, so that I can adjust the questionnaire.
At the bottom of "Toba theme", there is a link to try it, but the other themes do not have such link.
I'd like to finalize the questionnaire today or tomorrow and leave it open till 28th February. I think almost two weeks are enough and end of month looks like an easy to remember deadline.
The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb
Phpmyadmin-devel mailing list Phpmyadmin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpmyadmin-devel
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:17:20 -0500 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
At the bottom of "Toba theme", there is a link to try it, but the other themes do not have such link.
I guess you just hit in middle of my changes, all should have link to try them in reaction to Dieter's comments.
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:17:20 -0500 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
At the bottom of "Toba theme", there is a link to try it, but the other themes do not have such link.
I guess you just hit in middle of my changes, all should have link to try them in reaction to Dieter's comments.
The survey looks ok to me now :)
2011/2/14 Michal Čihař michal@cihar.com:
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:44:28 -0500 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
You got a message "Attempt XSRF Detected!". I also get this message when trying to do a mass update on a tracker.
Hmm, looks like another sf.net sitewide breakage :-).
Anyway I'm trying to set up the survey here right now on http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com
The draft is publicly visible here:
http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com/index.php?sid=72977&newtest=Y&lang=e...
Please send me any comments to it, so that I can adjust the questionnaire.
I'd like to finalize the questionnaire today or tomorrow and leave it open till 28th February. I think almost two weeks are enough and end of month looks like an easy to remember deadline.
Is it possible to add some field for comments? Personally, I will probably vote for pmahomme, but on some conditions: reducing headers and some margins, making warnings and success message to be less intensive.
Piotr Przybylski a écrit :
Is it possible to add some field for comments? Personally, I will probably vote for pmahomme, but on some conditions: reducing headers and some margins, making warnings and success message to be less intensive.
This brings another question: do we vote on the "potential" of a theme or for the theme as it was when the contest closed (yesterday)?
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:37:32 -0500 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
Piotr Przybylski a écrit :
Is it possible to add some field for comments? Personally, I will probably vote for pmahomme, but on some conditions: reducing headers and some margins, making warnings and success message to be less intensive.
This brings another question: do we vote on the "potential" of a theme or for the theme as it was when the contest closed (yesterday)?
Depends how you define potential :-).
The theme will evolve slightly after inclusion (eg. testing in some browser will show some bugs). So if potential = current look - bugs, then I'd definitely say yes.
I'm not sure about some bigger changes to theme look as it would make it virtually different theme. It might be better for some users, but it might as well be worse for some...
2011/2/14 Michal Čihař michal@cihar.com:
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:37:32 -0500 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
Piotr Przybylski a écrit :
Is it possible to add some field for comments? Personally, I will probably vote for pmahomme, but on some conditions: reducing headers and some margins, making warnings and success message to be less intensive.
This brings another question: do we vote on the "potential" of a theme or for the theme as it was when the contest closed (yesterday)?
Depends how you define potential :-).
The theme will evolve slightly after inclusion (eg. testing in some browser will show some bugs). So if potential = current look - bugs, then I'd definitely say yes.
I'm not sure about some bigger changes to theme look as it would make it virtually different theme. It might be better for some users, but it might as well be worse for some...
I was thinking about some minor tweaking. Examples of changes that are not minor but, in my opinion, would make some themes better are: * pmahomme - header sizes (h2) would look better with 1.2-1.4 em and bold -> would take less space while making them stand out enough - reduce paddings a bit in various places (page tabs, tables) to make it more compact. Currently it may look good on large screens (1200 in height and higher), but on my 1600x900 I would like to see more data on screen: in default theme I can display 35 data rows, in pmahomme only 17 fit on the screen * toba - change black lines around data cells to something lighter, currently data in tables is difficult to read
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:25:01 +0100 Piotr Przybylski piotr.prz@gmail.com napsal(a):
I was thinking about some minor tweaking. Examples of changes that are not minor but, in my opinion, would make some themes better are:
The themes can definitely get some polishing. But the poll should be about current state of the theme and possible improvements can be done afterward.
- pmahomme
- header sizes (h2) would look better with 1.2-1.4 em and bold ->
would take less space while making them stand out enough
- reduce paddings a bit in various places (page tabs, tables) to make
it more compact. Currently it may look good on large screens (1200 in height and higher), but on my 1600x900 I would like to see more data on screen: in default theme I can display 35 data rows, in pmahomme only 17 fit on the screen
I agree it is quite big and I wrote that as one of my first comment in themes tracker. Anyway forwarded your comments to theme author.
2011/2/14 Michal Čihař michal@cihar.com:
Hi
I'm not sure about some bigger changes to theme look as it would make it virtually different theme. It might be better for some users, but it might as well be worse for some...
If people like the theme in general but would like some changes, they can always make those changes and create their custom (derived) theme. And maybe even submit it to the tracker. The themes are supposed to be under GPL 2 (or compatible), so this is possible. ;)
Or contact the the original designer and merge their proposal with the original theme...
Greets,
Dieter
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:01:43 +0100 Piotr Przybylski piotr.prz@gmail.com napsal(a):
Is it possible to add some field for comments? Personally, I will probably vote for pmahomme, but on some conditions: reducing headers and some margins, making warnings and success message to be less intensive.
We would definitely get lot of feedback this way, but I'm not sure if we would ever get to single theme which would fit all.
So I prefer to give options only from existing themes.
On 2/14/2011 8:07 AM, Michal Čihař wrote:
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:44:28 -0500 Marc Delislemarc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
You got a message "Attempt XSRF Detected!". I also get this message when trying to do a mass update on a tracker.
Hmm, looks like another sf.net sitewide breakage :-).
Anyway I'm trying to set up the survey here right now on http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com
The draft is publicly visible here:
http://phpmyadmin.limequery.com/index.php?sid=72977&newtest=Y&lang=e...
Please send me any comments to it, so that I can adjust the questionnaire.
Very nice, but any way to put the links to demo server above the picture instead of below it? It's a small thing but I think makes it easier for users to quickly see that the demo server is available...otherwise for me the link just gets lost in the space between questions.
I'd like to finalize the questionnaire today or tomorrow and leave it open till 28th February. I think almost two weeks are enough and end of month looks like an easy to remember deadline.
Sounds good.
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:42:36 -0500 Isaac Bennetch bennetch@gmail.com napsal(a):
Very nice, but any way to put the links to demo server above the picture instead of below it? It's a small thing but I think makes it easier for users to quickly see that the demo server is available...otherwise for me the link just gets lost in the space between questions.
Good point, I've just adjusted it:
http://survey.phpmyadmin.net/index.php?sid=72977&lang=en
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
as the deadline for theme submission is over, we should create a survey to choose the default theme.
As we have only three submissions, I propose to include all themes we currently have for 3.4. Links to demo server and screenshots are currently on the wiki:
http://wiki.phpmyadmin.net/pma/Themes_in_Contest
I've tried to setup survey on sf.net using LimeSurvey, but I failed:
We could - wait for them to fix the problem - set up a survey somewhere else - my preference: publish in News and on phpmyadmin-users list the wiki page you mention, a date limite for voting and ask people to email their vote to contest@phpmyadmin.net
2011/2/14 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
as the deadline for theme submission is over, we should create a survey to choose the default theme.
As we have only three submissions, I propose to include all themes we currently have for 3.4. Links to demo server and screenshots are currently on the wiki:
http://wiki.phpmyadmin.net/pma/Themes_in_Contest
I've tried to setup survey on sf.net using LimeSurvey, but I failed:
We could
- wait for them to fix the problem
- set up a survey somewhere else
- my preference: publish in News and on phpmyadmin-users list the wiki
page you mention, a date limite for voting and ask people to email their vote to contest@phpmyadmin.net
I don't really have a preference, but I guess it will take some time to manually process all replies, with the survey that goes automatically.
About the survey that Michal made : * Is it possible to skip at least one of the two start screens? I mean, from a users point of view, they just have to click one time to choose a theme (and possible 5 times on the next question), so having to go through 2 screens first before answering the question will take some time and might annoy the surveytaker. * making the name of the theme + screenshot linkable to the actual theme can be a bit confusing. I mean, when the surveytaker chooses a theme and clicks on it to cast a vote, it might be confusing to be sent to another screen. Maybe the link on the name+ screenshot can be removed and a separate link that says 'demo', or 'try the theme' can be added to each option?
Greets,
Dieter
-- Marc Delisle http://infomarc.info
The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb _______________________________________________ Phpmyadmin-devel mailing list Phpmyadmin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpmyadmin-devel
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:09:36 +0100 Dieter Adriaenssens dieter.adriaenssens@gmail.com napsal(a):
- Is it possible to skip at least one of the two start screens? I
mean, from a users point of view, they just have to click one time to choose a theme (and possible 5 times on the next question), so having to go through 2 screens first before answering the question will take some time and might annoy the surveytaker.
Already done on limequery.
- making the name of the theme + screenshot linkable to the actual
theme can be a bit confusing. I mean, when the surveytaker chooses a theme and clicks on it to cast a vote, it might be confusing to be sent to another screen. Maybe the link on the name+ screenshot can be removed and a separate link that says 'demo', or 'try the theme' can be added to each option?
Good point, changed on limequery to this way.
Hi
Dne Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:59:11 -0500 Marc Delisle marc@infomarc.info napsal(a):
We could
- wait for them to fix the problem
Well I still did not like the look of the LimeSurvey installed on sf.net and I have not found way to customize it.
- set up a survey somewhere else
That's what I've tried to do, see my other mail.
- my preference: publish in News and on phpmyadmin-users list the wiki
page you mention, a date limite for voting and ask people to email their vote to contest@phpmyadmin.net
I don't like manual mail processing and don't want to write something what would automate parsing of user replies :-).
Hi
As not all list members are online, so I'd wait till tomorrow afternoon and if no objections will appear, I'll activate the survey and announce it.
The current (and hopefully last)[*] URL of the survey is:
http://survey.phpmyadmin.net/index.php?sid=72977&lang=en
[*]: After carefully re-reading limequery.com conditions, I've realized that the service is free only up to 25 responses, what will most likely not be enough for us, so I've set it up on my server.
On 2/14/2011 9:52 AM, Michal Čihař wrote:
Hi
As not all list members are online, so I'd wait till tomorrow afternoon and if no objections will appear, I'll activate the survey and announce it.
The current (and hopefully last)[*] URL of the survey is:
http://survey.phpmyadmin.net/index.php?sid=72977&lang=en
[*]: After carefully re-reading limequery.com conditions, I've realized that the service is free only up to 25 responses, what will most likely not be enough for us, so I've set it up on my server.
This all sounds excellent. Thanks!
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