24 Jun
2008
24 Jun
'08
12:40 a.m.
Hi,
i know, i already started a discussion some time ago, but it stopped with
conclusions about some imponderableness, but i would like to see this topic
again discussed
at first i would only be interested in who on this list would agree on
changing the license - independent from any possible problems
the main reason i would prefer license change is SaaS (Software as a service)
somebody hosting software based on phpMyAdmin is not required to make his
changes available to the community
i would suggest AGPL 3.0
please comment! all!
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Sebastian Mendel
24 Jun
24 Jun
12:57 a.m.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 06:40:42AM +0200, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
i would suggest AGPL 3.0
+1 to a form of AGPL
here. It doesn't have to be AGPL3, but AGPL in
general.
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3:39 a.m.
Robin H. Johnson schrieb:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 06:40:42AM +0200, Sebastian
Mendel wrote:
AGPL v3 is compatible to GPL v3, so parts of phpMyAdmin could stay at GPL
... but this is another/later issue ...
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Sebastian Mendel
i would suggest AGPL 3.0
+1 to a form of
AGPL here. It doesn't have to be AGPL3, but AGPL in
general. 
3:17 a.m.
On Tue, June 24, 2008 06:40, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
the main reason i would prefer license change is SaaS
(Software as a
service)
somebody hosting software based on phpMyAdmin is not required to make his
changes available to the community
i would suggest AGPL 3.0
The licence requires some kind of download source button that instantly
provides the source code. How would you see that implemented?
I guess that any licence change would be starting from pma v3? Are all
authors that have ever contributed to pma still reachable?
Thijs
3:38 a.m.
Thijs Kinkhorst schrieb:
On Tue, June 24, 2008 06:40, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
please, i think i know most problems, and many of them are already mentioned
last time and (at the moment) not subject of my question
cause we do not need to discuss this if not most/all would agree to change
license
i just want to know if you agree to see phpMyAdmin licensed under AGPL v3
(regardless of any problems)! :-)
--
Sebastian Mendel
the main reason i would prefer license change is
SaaS (Software as a
service)
somebody hosting software based on phpMyAdmin is not required to make his
changes available to the community
i would suggest AGPL 3.0
The licence requires some kind of download source button that instantly
provides the source code. How would you see that implemented?
I guess that any licence change would be starting from pma v3? Are all
authors that have ever contributed to pma still reachable?
3:51 a.m.
On Tue, June 24, 2008 09:38, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
please, i think i know most problems, and many of them
are already
mentioned last time and (at the moment) not subject of my question
cause we do not need to discuss this if not most/all would agree to
change license
i just want to know if you agree to see phpMyAdmin licensed under AGPL v3
(regardless of any problems)! :-)
The only other thread I can find about this (when searching for AGPL or
Affero in the archives) is the one from 2007-11-27, do you mean that one?
It only received comments that people don't see the need going through the
hassle.
What use is it to discuss this if there's no interest to go through the
hassle of actually making it possible?
Is there a concrete case where you would like to have the modifications
but can't get them now? Or is it still theoretical?
Thijs
4:06 a.m.
Thijs Kinkhorst schrieb:
On Tue, June 24, 2008 09:38, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
so you do not agree?
or in other terms: you think GPL v2 better suites phpMyAdmin than AGPL v3?
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Sebastian Mendel
please, i think i know most problems, and many of
them are already
mentioned last time and (at the moment) not subject of my question
cause we do not need to discuss this if not most/all would agree to
change license
i just want to know if you agree to see phpMyAdmin licensed under AGPL v3
(regardless of any problems)! :-)
The only other thread I can find about this (when searching for AGPL or
Affero in the archives) is the one from 2007-11-27, do you mean that one?
It only received comments that people don't see the need going through the
hassle.
What use is it to discuss this if there's no interest to go through the
hassle of actually making it possible?
Is there a concrete case where you would like to have the modifications
but can't get them now? Or is it still theoretical?
4:18 a.m.
On Tue, June 24, 2008 10:06, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
so you do not agree? or in other terms: you think GPL
v2 better suites
phpMyAdmin than AGPL v3?
I'm not sure what I think when the project would just be started from
scratch. There's pros and cons which I've listed on other moments.
Now that the project is mature it would be even more of a hassle to change
it for the complete codebase. Given that I already see pros and cons in
the initial choice and there's a lot of practical hassle to change it,
that makes me tip the scale to status quo.
Thijs
3:49 a.m.
Thijs Kinkhorst schrieb:
On Tue, June 24, 2008 06:40, Sebastian Mendel wrote:
btw. i did not read 'instant', whatever instant means in this case, it just
says that changed sources must be available as download at no charge
if they do not change anything in phpMyAdmin they do not need to provide any
download
--
Sebastian Mendel
the main reason i would prefer license change is
SaaS (Software as a
service)
somebody hosting software based on phpMyAdmin is not required to make his
changes available to the community
i would suggest AGPL 3.0
The licence requires some kind of download source button that instantly
provides the source code. How would you see that implemented?
I guess that any licence change would be starting from pma v3? Are all
authors that have ever contributed to pma still reachable? 
9:39 a.m.
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
i know, i already started a discussion some time ago, but it stopped with
conclusions about some imponderableness, but i would like to see this topic
again discussed
at first i would only be interested in who on this list would agree on
changing the license - independent from any possible problems
the main reason i would prefer license change is SaaS (Software as a service)
somebody hosting software based on phpMyAdmin is not required to make his
changes available to the community
From the GPL FAQ:
-----------------
Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to
the public?
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version, or
any part of it. You are free to make modifications and use them
privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations
(including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version
and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.
But if you release the modified version to the public in some way,
the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the
program's users, under the GPL.
Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in
certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to
release it is up to you.
---------------
Sebastian, are you referring to some hosting company that makes a
modified version and uses it internally, or releases the modified
version in some way?
i would suggest AGPL 3.0
please comment! all!
9:49 a.m.
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian, are you referring to some hosting company
that makes a
modified version and uses it internally, or releases the modified
version in some way?
companies (including hosting companies) that provide access to a modified
phpMyAdmin installation (SaaS) or provide a pre-installed copy of a modified
phpMyAdmin.
--
Sebastian Mendel
9:57 a.m.
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Ok. Well, I am part of this group of persons that believe that the
modifications should be made public, according to the spirit of GPL.
Marc
Sebastian, are you referring to some hosting
company that makes a
modified version and uses it internally, or releases the modified
version in some way?
companies (including hosting companies) that provide access to a
modified phpMyAdmin installation (SaaS) or provide a pre-installed copy
of a modified phpMyAdmin.
25 Jun
25 Jun
10:16 a.m.
Hi there,
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
I would agree with Marc and in the case that it would come to a vote
among all the former and current devs of phpMyAdmin, mine would be:
stick with GPL. I don't know, how much AMT code is still in pma, though. :-)
My point is that a modified pma should not be something people make
money with.
I see the problems, hosters might have with releasing their
modifications under the GPL, if those affect for instance interfaces to
their own software. An idea might be, to allow those private
modifications for certain parts, let's say the auth system or the
privileges page. That means, that those parts of the code would be put
under the AGPL. But anyway, you still would have to ask the all devs of
those parts, which means, you would have to study CVS and SVN logs,
tracker items, ... I wouldn't want to do that, do you? ;-)
Regards,
Alexander
companies (including hosting companies) that
provide access to a
modified phpMyAdmin installation (SaaS) or provide a pre-installed
copy of a modified phpMyAdmin.
Ok. Well, I am part of this group of persons that believe that the
modifications should be made public, according to the spirit of GPL.
10:28 a.m.
cand. inf. Alexander M. Turek schrieb:
Hi there,
Marc Delisle schrieb:
but GPL does not require making all code public!?
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
I would agree with Marc and in the case that it would come to a vote
among all the former and current devs of phpMyAdmin, mine would be:
stick with GPL. companies (including hosting companies) that
provide access to a
modified phpMyAdmin installation (SaaS) or provide a pre-installed
copy of a modified phpMyAdmin.
Ok. Well, I am part of this group of persons that believe that the
modifications should be made public, according to the spirit of GPL. I don't know, how much AMT code is still in pma,
though. :-)
AMT?
My point is that a modified pma should not be
something people make
money with.
yes, thats why AGPL
I see the problems, hosters might have with releasing
their
modifications under the GPL, if those affect for instance interfaces to
their own software. An idea might be, to allow those private
modifications for certain parts, let's say the auth system or the
privileges page. That means, that those parts of the code would be put
under the AGPL.
?
but putting tis parts undr AGPL would require them to make it public, i am
confused ...
But anyway, you still would have to ask the all devs
of
those parts, which means, you would have to study CVS and SVN logs,
tracker items, ... I wouldn't want to do that, do you? ;-)
filtering out any commits with less then 5 subsequent lines changed
or just moved code around - would reduce it heavily.
(changing code, fixing bugs, formating, cleaning up does not change copyright)
--
Sebastian Mendel
12:22 p.m.
Hi there,
Sebastian Mendel schrieb:
Uuhm, I've had a bad day and mixed up some stuff, I guess. For some
reason, I thought, it would be the other way round. Forget everything, I
wrote, please.
Regards,
AMT ;-)
AMT?
My initials. Some time ago, I wrote code for this project. ;-)
My point is
that a modified pma should not be something people make
money with.
yes, thats why AGPL
1:05 p.m.
cand. inf. Alexander M. Turek a écrit :
Hi there,
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Well, GPL v2 does allow people to make money with the code.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
I would agree with Marc and in the case that it would come to a vote
among all the former and current devs of phpMyAdmin, mine would be:
stick with GPL. I don't know, how much AMT code is still in pma, though.
:-)
My point is that a modified pma should not be something people make
money with. companies (including hosting companies) that
provide access to a
modified phpMyAdmin installation (SaaS) or provide a pre-installed
copy of a modified phpMyAdmin.
Ok. Well, I am part of this group of persons that believe that the
modifications should be made public, according to the spirit of GPL.
I see the problems, hosters might have with releasing their
modifications under the GPL, if those affect for instance interfaces to
their own software. An idea might be, to allow those private
modifications for certain parts, let's say the auth system or the
privileges page. That means, that those parts of the code would be put
under the AGPL. But anyway, you still would have to ask the all devs of
those parts, which means, you would have to study CVS and SVN logs,
tracker items, ... I wouldn't want to do that, do you? ;-)
Regards,
Alexander
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24 Jun
9:52 a.m.
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Hi,
i know, i already started a discussion some time ago, but it stopped with
conclusions about some imponderableness, but i would like to see this topic
again discussed
at first i would only be interested in who on this list would agree on
changing the license - independent from any possible problems
If I understand the process correctly, it's not the readers of a devel
list that can agree to change the license, it's the persons who hold the
copyright of this software -- see our README.
Marc
25 Jun
25 Jun
9:19 a.m.
Hi
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:40:42 +0200
Sebastian Mendel <lists(a)sebastianmendel.de> wrote:
i know, i already started a discussion some time ago,
but it stopped with
conclusions about some imponderableness, but i would like to see this topic
again discussed
at first i would only be interested in who on this list would agree on
changing the license - independent from any possible problems
But you can not change license independent of problems. You have to ask
all contributors to do this.
the main reason i would prefer license change is SaaS
(Software as a service)
somebody hosting software based on phpMyAdmin is not required to make his
changes available to the community
i would suggest AGPL 3.0
I think GPL is good enough for now.
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