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[Phpmyadmin-devel] New Developer (me)
by Korakot Chaovavanich 05 May '01

05 May '01

[about_me] My name is Korakot Chaovavanich, age 24 (about average :> ). I am working as an assistant researcher at a government organization (NECTEC- www.nectec.or.th) in the Open Source Project to promote the use/development of Open Source Software in Thailand. (best suit for for-fun programmer like me) I have about 2-year experience in Perl, PHP/MySql, 4-year in HTML and Javascript. When I first met phpMyAdmin, I found it to be the essensial tool I use almost all the time. Now I wish it easier to use than Access, even with it web-interface limitation. So comes my feature request (XXXXX), please check it initial implimentation (just upload).. I guess you all must like it. I can speak only in english and thai(th), so please use only english (7-bin ascii :>)... Now I don't know how to spell or pronounce names of our 2 project admins... Oliver/Looc ? My website ? not update for 3 years... My resume? only in thai, sorry.. My picture... ok.. in 1998, still quite cute http://geocities.com/korakot2/grad/stand.JPG This is actually my first time as developer in an international team of OSS. But I have help submit patch for sourceforce i18n (language auto-detect and message translation). I also convert mysql help to MS htmlhelp format. (but they don't accept it to be distributed on their mysql website) [mysql_dev] Forgive me if I put too many issues in one single email. I suggest that we have an agreement on development and set up a page for development guideline (on phpmyadmin.sourceforge.net or on project doc page) Please see a good example in SourceForge doc page. Now there are too many channels to discuss the development discussion. Should a feature be discuss in Feature Tracker or Developer Mailinglist or Forum or personal(1-1) email? We could discuss it in mailing list first and post some summary in Feature Tracker. My 2 examples are i18n and permission-checking. Looc discuss i18n with me using 1-1 mail (not respond yet) and now he has commit it to CVS. I think we should discuss first on dev-mail or forum before commit. According to XP (extreme programming), we should have 2 developers looking at the code togeter before commit. (<looc> sorry for not promptly respone mail) I have also suggested a guideline for interface design in the Feature Request. (maybe a wrong place) This guide (checking for action permission before showing action link/button) could result in many features (so I submit it there). But I could have sent it here instead. Other issues (guideline for development) that we must decide are - should we go for php4 or still 100% support php3? - By permission checking, we could check the mysql version and decide to provide some features or not based on version number (eg. Full-text search on 3.23.3?+ on MYISAM table type) - translation could be done with 3 approach, which one should we use (define(), array, or gettext) ? - browser support and javascript. (eg. my inplace-edit feature using DOM scripting) We must support IE, Moz,Konq. Should we try support NN4/Opera DHTML as well? Some question on currest source in CVS - I see the config file has change the config vars of user/password/onlydb. I am afraid this would affect the use of new user who could once drop and run phpmyadmin without editing anything (user=root, no-password/no-onlydb). - The language detection code is still not pretty. The variable convention such as $notFound and function pmaLangDetect is not consistent with the rest of php. This is one reason I suggest we have a coding guideline (like sourceforge's) Finally, Thank you so much for bring the phpmyadmin development to sourceforge. I plan to contribute more feature request :> , ok.. more code as well. And don't forget to check my in-place edit code in feature request page. Korakot Chaovavanich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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[Phpmyadmin-devel] Re: /lang
by Loïc 05 May '01

05 May '01

Hi All! >BTW do we have "official" translators for every >language? I don't think so. >So a lag will develop, and it will be clean to see the new >strings at the end of file. Good idea :). An alternative would be to add a comment at the end of the strings that needs to be translated (let's say '// to translate' for example): this way alphabetical order can be kept and it would easy for translators to find what they have to work on. Just my 2 cents... BTW have you tried to upload some file to both the current devel. versions. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems not to work at all (even if a success message is displayed). I'll try to investigate on this today. Have a nice day/night, Loïc ______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif

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[Phpmyadmin-devel] show blob/hide blob toggle button
by Marc Delisle 05 May '01

05 May '01

Hi again :) the $cfgShowBlob is in the config file, but sometimes we want to see the blobs while browsing, sometimes not. I think a button (on the showing records page) would be useful for this. I would prefer to make this a session variable, but since we have to support php3, this would become another get parameter? Take the default from config file, but let them change it... Marc (Lem9)

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[Phpmyadmin-devel] csv data
by Marc Delisle 05 May '01

05 May '01

Hi, one of the phpmyadmin users here has a request for us, and I want your feedback: The csv data dialog would get a clarification and a new option: __ CSV Data Fields terminated by ___ Lines terminated by ___ He needs to be able to add a special character at end of line, to ease the parsing that he does with the output file. If it's ok for you, I add the feature request and assign it to me :) Marc (Lem9)

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[Phpmyadmin-devel] Re: "Table type" (MyIsam, Isam, etc.)
by Loïc 05 May '01

05 May '01

>Another little think: if you add a new string, >please add it to *every* lang files (just keep the >english translation), Oh YEESSSS, it's so annoying to update the translation else (I've just done it with the portuguese that was posted to the forum). Regards, Loïc ______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif

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[Phpmyadmin-devel] Re: misc. messages from Marc
by Loïc 05 May '01

05 May '01

>I suggest this: >in select_lang.inc.php3, just before the require, add this: >require($lang_path . 'english.inc.php3'); Hum, that's of course the easiest solution for us. But as the 'select_lang.inc.php3' script is called many times within a phpMyAdmin session I wonder if it's the good solution in terms of server charge. >About this new tracker: do we have to send all >translations requests to both the tracker and the >phpmyadmin-translators list? As to me the tracker would only be used to put a finalized new or updated translation, while the mailing-list would be used for questions and debates about translations. Just my 2 cents... [About CVS write access] >Merci! sais-tu combien de temps ça va prendre? Pas exactement ooops... Not really. Three monthes ago you had to wait for about two weeks, but it seems delays have decreased nowadays. BTW you could ask for a support request from the SF main page. Regards, Loïc ______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif

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[Phpmyadmin-devel] [RFC] cvs tree split & a few thoughts - please read
by Olivier M. 05 May '01

05 May '01

Hello, bonsoir, A few thoughts about the further developpements of phpmyadmin, and the current situation : please read and tell us what you think, thanks! I would also be glad if you could post a short mail to this list, with a few words about you, your projects and what you want to do for phpmyadmin. * We are currently 8 developpers on this project: this is quite a lot of people for such a "small" project (compared for example to mysql: 4 developpers, or other projects), so we'll have to find a way to work together without breaking everything. After a discussion with Loic, here is what I would suggest: there are now 2 trees in the cvs: * phpMyadmin -> stable * phpMyadmin-devel -> unstable To the first tree, let's commit only bugfixes, small new features and patches, and new translations. And the phpMyAdmin-devel tree is to be used to add real new stuff, like for example the phpMyBookmark patch ( http://www.phpindex.com/projets/projets_presentation.php3?n=1 ) or an improved mysql users-administration. All the fixes commited to the stable tree will also have to be commited to the unstable tree, or the developpments will be lost, what is not our goal I guess. * Let me remind you that this project is still an _*unofficial*_ continuation of Tobias' work, and it will remain like that until we get some more feedback from him. phpMyAdmin is still *his* project, and my goal by setting up phpmyadmin.sourceforge.net was not to steal the project, but more to make the things move, to get some feedback, and to be able to add my own patches (needed for a few of my customers). I had some mail-contacts with tobias last year (a few fixes and question), but then blackout for at least 8 months (and no new version or changes in the official project cvs). Then after about 10 tries and founding his new address, I finally got this message from tobias: > Subject: Re: ping? - (phpmyadmin) > From: "Tobias Ratschiller" <Tobias.Ratschiller(a)maguma.com> > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:34:28 +0200 > To: "Olivier Mueller" <omueller(a)8304.ch> > Organization: Maguma AG > > Hey, > > looks interesting. I'll check out your sourceforge app over the > weekend; generally speaking, I don't have anything against spin > offs of open source projects. =) > Unfortunately, these days I lack the time to do much on phpMyAdmin > myself so your move is quite welcome. > > -Tobias I answered this mail on the same day (so about 20 days ago), and I'm now still waiting for feedback: seems he's very busy with his company :) Voila, you know quite everything now! It would be nice if he could join the team or give us the permission to take over the project. An otherwise, we will probably have to choose another name, for example phpmyadmin-NG, or anything... * There are about 50% french-speaking people in the devel team (from france, but also quebec and switzerland). But I think we should continue to use english on the lists and forums, even with mistakes, otherwise it won't be nice for the people from usa, germany, and other countries... D'accord ? :) * Before working on major changes (on the phpmyadmin-devel tree!), please discuss it on this list before. * Please describe your all of your changes in the Changelog and the cvs commit messages (real changes, not every typo :) * There is already quite a lot of feedback on the forums, patch and suggestions pages : I'll try to give some answers and apply some patches a few times a month, and you are really welcome to do the same... * Thanks for still reading :) Finally a few words about myself: I'm a 24 years old CS student in Zürich, Switzerland. Languages: fr, en, de and a very little bit of se (swedish). I'm having my own ISP-company [ http://www.omnis.ch ], and work with linux for about 6 years. Other open source projects: omail-admin (qmail-administration interfaec), omail-webmail (for MTA using maildirs), and odns. Only available photo is http://8304.ch/olivier.jpg :) Voila, thanks for your attention, and I hope we will have fun working on phpmyadmin :) Regards, Olivier -- _________________________________________________________________ Olivier Mueller - om(a)8304.ch - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland qmail projects: http://omail.omnis.ch - http://webmail.omnis.ch

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[Phpmyadmin-devel] [ phpmyadmin-Feature Requests-421090 ] Re: String
by Loïc 04 May '01

04 May '01

Marc wrote: >Ok thanks, now I just need write access to cvs :) Unfortunatly we can't do anything for this: you'll have to wait till SF take into account your status for the phpMyAdmin project.... To all: I've just setup a new tracker for translations. Regards, ______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif

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[Phpmyadmin-devel] "Table type" (MyIsam, Isam, etc.)
by Olivier M. 04 May '01

04 May '01

Hello, Just noticed the "Table type" option in tbl_properties.php (cvs), and first asked myself what it was... I think this option should come at the end of the page, not at the beggining, otherwise it will confuse a lots of people... Anyway, what is it for? :) Does it rebuild the table file using another format ? Who needs that ? thanks for the info! Another little think: if you add a new string, (like: $strTableType = "Table type"; // Robbat2 ) please add it to *every* lang files (just keep the english translation), otherwise there are blanks. The files will then be updated later by the translators, but for that they need to contain all the strings... Regards, Olivier -- _________________________________________________________________ Olivier Mueller - om(a)8304.ch - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland qmail projects: http://omail.omnis.ch - http://webmail.omnis.ch

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[Phpmyadmin-devel] [ phpmyadmin-Feature Requests-421090 ] Re: String Outsourcing
by Loïc 04 May '01

04 May '01

Hi Marc. >Ok please assign this to me :) Done. Your permissions have also been updated so you would be able to do it yourself. Regards, Loïc ______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif

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