[Phpmyadmin-devel] Use utf-8 for ChangeLog
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I noticed that we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog. Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8 encoded? - -- Regards Michal Čihař http://cihar.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgm5e3DVS6DbnVgQRApZtAJ96IN//OAS6HTbrOdju7kU5cADKLgCgt82M lGzfoGx4xL7hAEprqlrK6U8= =D8Se -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi there, Michal Cihar wrote:
since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I noticed that we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog. Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o) Äçtùálly, Î äm nòt wørkïng wîth ÜTF-8 rïght nôw, bút sînçe Ï ònly néèd ÄSCÍÌ chärs fôr mÿ nàmê and mÿ lög mëssàgês, Î hävè nö ôbjèçtíôns. Regards, -- Alexander M. Turek <rabus@users.sourceforge.net> _ __ __ _ _ _ _ __ | |__ _ __ | \/ |_ _ / \ __| |_ __ ___ (_)_ __ | '_ \| '_ \| '_ \| |\/| | | | | / _ \ / _` | '_ ` _ \| | '_ \ | |_) | | | | |_) | | | | |_| |/ ___ \ (_| | | | | | | | | | | | .__/|_| |_| .__/|_| |_|\__, /_/ \_\__,_|_| |_| |_|_|_| |_| |_| |_| |___/ <http://www.phpmyadmin.net>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 18 of April 2004 15:02, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi there,
Michal Cihar wrote:
since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I noticed that we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog. Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o)
Yes :-) ... but currently there are already translators names, which are also non ASCII.
Äçtùálly, Î äm nòt wørkïng wîth ÜTF-8 rïght nôw, bút sînçe Ï ònly néèd ÄSCÍÌ chärs fôr mÿ nàmê and mÿ lög mëssàgês, Î hävè nö ôbjèçtíôns.
- -- Regards Michal Čihař http://cihar.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAgoMP3DVS6DbnVgQRAj97AJ0Xsm37VN+UL7GFilp3A8wvQPI3HgCglfiP RoToKmVuNPeSKRkzGyCshlI= =DJFZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi Michal, Michal Cihar wrote:
On Sunday 18 of April 2004 15:02, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi there,
Michal Cihar wrote:
since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I noticed that we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog. Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o)
Yes :-)
So in Documentation.html and translators.html where you could use HTML entities, why didn't you use these characters there? ;-) Regards, -- Alexander M. Turek <rabus@users.sourceforge.net> _ __ __ _ _ _ _ __ | |__ _ __ | \/ |_ _ / \ __| |_ __ ___ (_)_ __ | '_ \| '_ \| '_ \| |\/| | | | | / _ \ / _` | '_ ` _ \| | '_ \ | |_) | | | | |_) | | | | |_| |/ ___ \ (_| | | | | | | | | | | | .__/|_| |_| .__/|_| |_|\__, /_/ \_\__,_|_| |_| |_|_|_| |_| |_| |_| |___/ <http://www.phpmyadmin.net>
On 19.04.2004 01:54 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi Michal,
Michal Cihar wrote:
On Sunday 18 of April 2004 15:02, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi there,
Michal Cihar wrote:
since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I noticed that we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog. Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o)
Yes :-)
So in Documentation.html and translators.html where you could use HTML entities, why didn't you use these characters there? ;-)
This was not primary reason why I'm asking. It was that vim each time I open ChangeLog says it was converted :-) -- Regards Michal Čihař http://cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit:
On 19.04.2004 01:54 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi Michal,
Michal Cihar wrote:
On Sunday 18 of April 2004 15:02, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi there,
Michal Cihar wrote:
since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I noticed that we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog. Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o)
Yes :-)
So in Documentation.html and translators.html where you could use HTML entities, why didn't you use these characters there? ;-)
This was not primary reason why I'm asking. It was that vim each time I open ChangeLog says it was converted :-)
Michal, would there be an impact for the conversion: - users looking at the ChangeLog - when I copy it on the web page for releases http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=220762 Marc
On 19.04.2004 09:09 -0400, Marc Delisle wrote:
Michal, would there be an impact for the conversion: - users looking at the ChangeLog
You will allways have different users with different charsets. Some viewers can detect utf-8, Linux distros are currently moving towards utf-8 (Redhat has it as default for some time, SUSE had it optionally, now also default, current Debian policy also requires utf-8 files). It's simply change that will happen sometimes, the only question is when :-)
- when I copy it on the web page for releases http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=220762
This should not be a problem, you browser should convert it to html entities, which are hopefully handled okay by sf. -- Regards Michal Čihař http://cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit:
On 19.04.2004 09:09 -0400, Marc Delisle wrote:
Michal, would there be an impact for the conversion: - users looking at the ChangeLog
You will allways have different users with different charsets. Some viewers can detect utf-8, Linux distros are currently moving towards utf-8 (Redhat has it as default for some time, SUSE had it optionally, now also default, current Debian policy also requires utf-8 files).
It's simply change that will happen sometimes, the only question is when :-)
- when I copy it on the web page for releases http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=220762
This should not be a problem, you browser should convert it to html entities, which are hopefully handled okay by sf.
Ok let's try it! Can you commit the file? I am using a vi which is not vim, will see what happens and probably will have to upgrade... Marc
Hi there, Marc Delisle wrote:
Ok let's try it! Can you commit the file?
Done. I hope iconv did a good job on it :-) Regards, -- Alexander M. Turek <rabus@users.sourceforge.net> _ __ __ _ _ _ _ __ | |__ _ __ | \/ |_ _ / \ __| |_ __ ___ (_)_ __ | '_ \| '_ \| '_ \| |\/| | | | | / _ \ / _` | '_ ` _ \| | '_ \ | |_) | | | | |_) | | | | |_| |/ ___ \ (_| | | | | | | | | | | | .__/|_| |_| .__/|_| |_|\__, /_/ \_\__,_|_| |_| |_|_|_| |_| |_| |_| |___/ <http://www.phpmyadmin.net>
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 23:28 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi there, Marc Delisle wrote:
Ok let's try it! Can you commit the file?
Done. I hope iconv did a good job on it :-)
it did but of course the browser still thinks it's "normal iso text": http://admin.omnis.ch/mysql-dev/ChangeLog (looks wrong here with mozilla, but fine with opera!) to make it looks correct, default content type at apache level should be changed to utf8... no sure if it's really the best way... ? I vote for a 7bit changelog :) cheers, Olivier
Hi Olivier and list, Olivier Mueller wrote:
Ok let's try it! Can you commit the file?
Done. I hope iconv did a good job on it :-)
it did but of course the browser still thinks it's "normal iso text": http://admin.omnis.ch/mysql-dev/ChangeLog (looks wrong here with mozilla, but fine with opera!)
Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type header. Could this be done with a proper .htaccess file? If not, we could build a small php script for this purpose: <?php header('Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8'); readfile('./ChangeLog'); ?>
to make it looks correct, default content type at apache level should be changed to utf8... no sure if it's really the best way... ?
Should work, too.
I vote for a 7bit changelog :)
Is this why you avoid writing the umlaut in your last name? Be proud of it! :o) Regards, -- Alexander M. Turek <rabus@users.sourceforge.net> _ __ __ _ _ _ _ __ | |__ _ __ | \/ |_ _ / \ __| |_ __ ___ (_)_ __ | '_ \| '_ \| '_ \| |\/| | | | | / _ \ / _` | '_ ` _ \| | '_ \ | |_) | | | | |_) | | | | |_| |/ ___ \ (_| | | | | | | | | | | | .__/|_| |_| .__/|_| |_|\__, /_/ \_\__,_|_| |_| |_|_|_| |_| |_| |_| |___/ <http://www.phpmyadmin.net>
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:16 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type header. Could this be done with a proper .htaccess file?
maybe, but would be-apache only, and work only where .htaccess files are allowed, etc.
If not, we could build a small php script for this purpose: <?php header('Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8'); readfile('./ChangeLog'); ?>
ok why not, but it was fine before as simple .txt, so why this change? oh well, spent the whole day on £&%@*& charset problems (pages supposed to work in english, french & arabic), so I will stick to 7bit for the changelog anyway, so do what you want :)
to make it looks correct, default content type at apache level should be changed to utf8... no sure if it's really the best way... ? Should work, too.
sure, but I guess that most of pma users are not root, so not allowed to do that :)
I vote for a 7bit changelog :)
Is this why you avoid writing the umlaut in your last name? Be proud of it!
with "ue" I know it will always look fine everywhere... :) Olivier
Hi On 20.04.2004 01:04 +0200, Olivier Mueller wrote:
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:16 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type header. Could this be done with a proper .htaccess file?
maybe, but would be-apache only, and work only where .htaccess files are allowed, etc.
If not, we could build a small php script for this purpose: <?php header('Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8'); readfile('./ChangeLog'); ?>
Too much complicated and IMHO not needed.
ok why not, but it was fine before as simple .txt, so why this change?
oh well, spent the whole day on £&%@*& charset problems (pages supposed to work in english, french & arabic),
That's what unicode is supposed to solve :-)
so I will stick to 7bit for the changelog anyway, so do what you want :)
:-)
to make it looks correct, default content type at apache level should be changed to utf8... no sure if it's really the best way... ? Should work, too.
sure, but I guess that most of pma users are not root, so not allowed to do that :)
You usually can add .htaccess and you allways can select charset in browser (thats what I have to do anyway, since my default is not iso-8859-1 :-)).
I vote for a 7bit changelog :)
Is this why you avoid writing the umlaut in your last name? Be proud of it!
with "ue" I know it will always look fine everywhere... :)
We had iso-8859-1 one, so change to 7bit would be also needed :-) -- Regards Michal Čihař http://cihar.com
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 10:02 +0200, Michal Čihař wrote:
oh well, spent the whole day on £&%@*& charset problems (pages supposed to work in english, french & arabic),
That's what unicode is supposed to solve :-)
yes, that's also what I understood :) I even begin to like it, but it took some work until everything was converted and worked (the best were tables with mixed iso-8859 and utf8 data...)
We had iso-8859-1 one, so change to 7bit would be also needed :-)
yep, but isn't iso-8859-1 default for the most of us? :) for example on a vanilly suse 9.0 here: om@linux:~> locale charmap ISO-8859-1 cheers, Olivier, expert-es-iconv :)
On 20.04.2004 14:26 +0200, Olivier Mueller wrote:
yes, that's also what I understood :) I even begin to like it, but it took some work until everything was converted and worked (the best were tables with mixed iso-8859 and utf8 data...)
I don't like mixed data and that's why I started this discussion :-)
yep, but isn't iso-8859-1 default for the most of us? :) for example on a vanilly suse 9.0 here:
om@linux:~> locale charmap ISO-8859-1
for 9.1 it is: $ locale charmap UTF-8 :-) .. anyway for me default was iso-8859-2... -- Regards Michal Čihař http://cihar.com
Hi Olivier & list, Olivier Mueller wrote:
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:16 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type header. Could this be done with a proper .htaccess file?
maybe, but would be-apache only, and work only where .htaccess files are allowed, etc.
You got me wrong: I wanted to use this .htaccess file for our website at SF, not for the distribution kit... :-) Regards, -- Alexander M. Turek <rabus@users.sourceforge.net> _ __ __ _ _ _ _ __ | |__ _ __ | \/ |_ _ / \ __| |_ __ ___ (_)_ __ | '_ \| '_ \| '_ \| |\/| | | | | / _ \ / _` | '_ ` _ \| | '_ \ | |_) | | | | |_) | | | | |_| |/ ___ \ (_| | | | | | | | | | | | .__/|_| |_| .__/|_| |_|\__, /_/ \_\__,_|_| |_| |_|_|_| |_| |_| |_| |___/ <http://www.phpmyadmin.net>
Alexander M. Turek a écrit:
Hi Olivier & list,
Olivier Mueller wrote:
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:16 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type header. Could this be done with a proper .htaccess file?
maybe, but would be-apache only, and work only where .htaccess files are allowed, etc.
You got me wrong: I wanted to use this .htaccess file for our website at SF, not for the distribution kit... :-)
Regards,
In the kit, Documentation.html has a link to ChangeLog located in the kit. Marc
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 07:56 -0400, Marc Delisle wrote:
You got me wrong: I wanted to use this .htaccess file for our website at SF, not for the distribution kit... :-)
In the kit, Documentation.html has a link to ChangeLog located in the kit.
as well as a very nice one simply on main.php... :) -->> [ChangeLog] [CVS] [Lists] Olivier
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