18 Apr
2004
18 Apr
'04
1:03 a.m.
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Hi all
since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I noticed that we have some
iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog. Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8
encoded?
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Regards
Michal Čihař
http://cihar.com
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18 Apr
18 Apr
2:03 a.m.
Hi there,
Michal Cihar wrote:
since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I noticed that
we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog. Wouldn't be
better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o)
Äçtùálly, Î äm nòt wørkïng wîth ÜTF-8 rïght nôw, bút sînçe Ï ònly néèd ÄSCÍÌ
chärs fôr mÿ nàmê and mÿ lög mëssàgês, Î hävè nö ôbjèçtíôns.
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2:31 a.m.
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On Sunday 18 of April 2004 15:02, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi there,
Michal Cihar wrote:
Yes :-) ... but currently there are already translators names, which are also
non ASCII.
since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I
noticed that
we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog. Wouldn't be
better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o) Äçtùálly, Î äm nòt wørkïng wîth ÜTF-8 rïght nôw, bút
sînçe Ï ònly néèd
ÄSCÍÌ chärs fôr mÿ nàmê and mÿ lög mëssàgês, Î hävè nö ôbjèçtíôns.
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Michal Čihař
http://cihar.com
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12:55 p.m.
Hi Michal,
Michal Cihar wrote:
On Sunday 18 of April 2004 15:02, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
So in Documentation.html and translators.html where you could use HTML entities, why
didn't you use these characters there? ;-)
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Hi there,
Michal Cihar wrote:
Yes :-) since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I
noticed
that we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog.
Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o)
9:01 p.m.
On 19.04.2004 01:54 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi Michal,
Michal Cihar wrote:
This was not primary reason why I'm asking. It was that vim each time I
open ChangeLog says it was converted :-)
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Michal Čihař
http://cihar.com
On Sunday 18 of April 2004 15:02, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
So in Documentation.html and translators.html where you could use HTML entities, why
didn't you use these characters there? ;-) Hi there,
Michal Cihar wrote:
Yes :-) since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I
noticed
that we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog.
Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o) 
19 Apr
19 Apr
2:10 a.m.
Michal Čihař a écrit:
On 19.04.2004 01:54 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Michal,
would there be an impact for the conversion:
- users looking at the ChangeLog
- when I copy it on the web page for releases
http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=220762
Marc
Hi Michal,
Michal Cihar wrote:
This was not primary reason why I'm asking. It was that vim each time I
open ChangeLog says it was converted :-)
On Sunday 18 of April 2004 15:02, Alexander M.
Turek wrote:
So in Documentation.html and translators.html where you could use HTML entities, why
didn't you use these characters there? ;-) Hi there,
Michal Cihar wrote:
>since I started to use utf-8 on some machines I noticed
>that we have some iso-8859-1 characters in ChangeLog.
>Wouldn't be better to make it utf-8 encoded?
... so your name can be encoded correctly? :o)
Yes :-)
2:24 a.m.
On 19.04.2004 09:09 -0400, Marc Delisle wrote:
Michal,
would there be an impact for the conversion:
- users looking at the ChangeLog
You will allways have different users with different charsets. Some
viewers can detect utf-8, Linux distros are currently moving towards
utf-8 (Redhat has it as default for some time, SUSE had it optionally,
now also default, current Debian policy also requires utf-8 files).
It's simply change that will happen sometimes, the only question is when
:-)
- when I copy it on the web page for releases
http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=220762
This should not be a problem, you browser should convert it to html
entities, which are hopefully handled okay by sf.
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Michal Čihař
http://cihar.com
10:02 a.m.
Michal Čihař a écrit:
On 19.04.2004 09:09 -0400, Marc Delisle wrote:
Ok let's try it! Can you commit the file?
I am using a vi which is not vim, will see what happens and
probably will have to upgrade...
Marc
Michal,
would there be an impact for the conversion:
- users looking at the ChangeLog
You will allways have different users with different charsets. Some
viewers can detect utf-8, Linux distros are currently moving towards
utf-8 (Redhat has it as default for some time, SUSE had it optionally,
now also default, current Debian policy also requires utf-8 files).
It's simply change that will happen sometimes, the only question is when
:-)
- when I copy it on the web page for releases
http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=220762
This should not be a problem, you browser should convert it to html
entities, which are hopefully handled okay by sf.
10:29 a.m.
Hi there,
Marc Delisle wrote:
Ok let's try it! Can you commit the file?
Done. I hope iconv did a good job on it :-)
Regards,
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10:45 a.m.
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 23:28 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
Hi there,
Marc Delisle wrote:
it did but of course the browser still thinks it's "normal iso text":
http://admin.omnis.ch/mysql-dev/ChangeLog
(looks wrong here with mozilla, but fine with opera!)
to make it looks correct, default content type at apache level
should be changed to utf8... no sure if it's really the best
way... ? I vote for a 7bit changelog :)
cheers,
Olivier
Ok let's try it! Can you commit the file?
Done. I hope iconv did a good job on
it :-)
11:17 a.m.
Hi Olivier and list,
Olivier Mueller wrote:
it did but of course the browser still thinks it's "normal iso text":
http://admin.omnis.ch/mysql-dev/ChangeLog
(looks wrong here with mozilla, but fine with opera!)
Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type header. Could this be done
with a proper .htaccess file?
If not, we could build a small php script for this purpose:
<?php
header('Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8');
readfile('./ChangeLog');
?>
Ok let's try it! Can you commit the file?
Done. I hope iconv did a good job on
it :-) to make it looks correct, default content type at
apache
level should be changed to utf8... no sure if it's really the
best way... ?
Should work, too.
I vote for a 7bit changelog :)
Is this why you avoid writing the umlaut in your last name? Be proud of it!
:o)
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12:05 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:16 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
sure, but I guess that most of pma users are not root, so not allowed
to do that :)
with "ue" I know it will always look fine everywhere... :)
Olivier
Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type header.
Could this be done
with a proper .htaccess file?
maybe, but would be-apache only, and work only where .htaccess files are
allowed, etc.
If not, we could build a small php script for this
purpose:
<?php
header('Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8');
readfile('./ChangeLog');
?>
ok why not, but it was fine before as simple .txt, so why this change?
oh well, spent the whole day on £&%@*& charset problems (pages supposed
to work in english, french & arabic), so I will stick to 7bit
for the changelog anyway, so do what you want :)
to make it
looks correct, default content type at apache
level should be changed to utf8... no sure if it's really the
best way... ?
Should work, too. I vote for a
7bit changelog :)
Is this why you avoid writing the umlaut in your last name? Be proud of it!
9:03 p.m.
Hi
On 20.04.2004 01:04 +0200, Olivier Mueller wrote:
sure, but I guess that most of pma users are not root, so not allowed
to do that :)
You usually can add .htaccess and you allways can select charset in
browser (thats what I have to do anyway, since my default is not
iso-8859-1 :-)).
with "ue" I know it will always look fine everywhere... :)
We had iso-8859-1 one, so change to 7bit would be also needed :-)
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Michal Čihař
http://cihar.com
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:16 +0200, Alexander M. Turek
wrote:
Too much complicated and IMHO not needed.
Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type
header. Could this be done
with a proper .htaccess file?
maybe, but would be-apache only, and work only where .htaccess files are
allowed, etc.
> If not, we could build a small php script for this purpose:
> <?php
> header('Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8');
> readfile('./ChangeLog');
> ?> ok why not, but it was fine before as simple .txt, so
why this change?
oh well, spent the whole day on £&%@*& charset problems (pages supposed
to work in english, french & arabic),
That's what unicode is supposed to solve :-)
so I will stick to 7bit
for the changelog anyway, so do what you want :)
:-)
to make it looks correct, default content type at
apache
level should be changed to utf8... no sure if it's really the
best way... ?
Should work, too. I vote for a 7bit changelog :)
Is this why you avoid writing the umlaut in your last name? Be proud of it!
20 Apr
20 Apr
1:27 a.m.
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 10:02 +0200, Michal Čihař wrote:
yes, that's also what I understood :) I even begin to like it,
but it took some work until everything was converted and worked
(the best were tables with mixed iso-8859 and utf8 data...)
oh well, spent
the whole day on £&%@*& charset problems (pages supposed
to work in english, french & arabic),
That's what unicode is supposed to solve :-) We had iso-8859-1 one, so change to 7bit would be also
needed :-)
yep, but isn't iso-8859-1 default for the most of us? :) for example
on a vanilly suse 9.0 here:
om@linux:~> locale charmap
ISO-8859-1
cheers,
Olivier, expert-es-iconv :)
1:32 a.m.
On 20.04.2004 14:26 +0200, Olivier Mueller wrote:
yes, that's also what I understood :) I even
begin to like it,
but it took some work until everything was converted and worked
(the best were tables with mixed iso-8859 and utf8 data...)
I don't like mixed data and that's why I started this discussion :-)
yep, but isn't iso-8859-1 default for the most of
us? :) for example
on a vanilly suse 9.0 here:
om@linux:~> locale charmap
ISO-8859-1
for 9.1 it is:
$ locale charmap
UTF-8
:-) .. anyway for me default was iso-8859-2...
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Michal Čihař
http://cihar.com
19 Apr
19 Apr
11:50 p.m.
Hi Olivier & list,
Olivier Mueller wrote:
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:16 +0200, Alexander M. Turek wrote:
You got me wrong: I wanted to use this .htaccess file for our website at SF,
not for the distribution kit... :-)
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Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type
header.
Could this be done with a proper .htaccess file?
maybe, but would be-apache only, and work only where
.htaccess files are allowed, etc.
20 Apr
20 Apr
12:57 a.m.
Alexander M. Turek a écrit:
Hi Olivier & list,
Olivier Mueller wrote:
In the kit, Documentation.html has a link to ChangeLog located in the kit.
Marc
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:16 +0200, Alexander M.
Turek wrote:
You got me wrong: I wanted to use this .htaccess file for our website at SF,
not for the distribution kit... :-)
Regards,
Apache just has to send a correct Content-Type
header.
Could this be done with a proper .htaccess file?
maybe, but would be-apache only, and work only where
.htaccess files are allowed, etc.
1:22 a.m.
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 07:56 -0400, Marc Delisle wrote:
as well as a very nice one simply on main.php... :)
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Olivier
You got me
wrong: I wanted to use this .htaccess file for our website at SF,
not for the distribution kit... :-)
In the kit, Documentation.html has a link to ChangeLog located in the kit.
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