[Phpmyadmin-devel] First usability report
Hi all some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file). There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-) [1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89 -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
[1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89
It interesting to get such reports, but I don't have expertise in icon-making. Maybe Michael can help in this matter? About the fact that the left logo is too big in 800x600, I agree. And this would be quickly fixed for 2.10. Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left logo should link? Marc
Hi On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:26:50 -0500 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
It interesting to get such reports, but I don't have expertise in icon-making. Maybe Michael can help in this matter?
The report contains icon proposal, maybe we could just use those...
About the fact that the left logo is too big in 800x600, I agree. And this would be quickly fixed for 2.10.
Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left logo should link?
I don't know... -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:26:50 -0500 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
It interesting to get such reports, but I don't have expertise in icon-making. Maybe Michael can help in this matter?
The report contains icon proposal, maybe we could just use those...
Not being able to see those icons directly on their site is not very ...usable :) I'll try later your Download XML trick.
About the fact that the left logo is too big in 800x600, I agree. And this would be quickly fixed for 2.10.
Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left logo should link?
I don't know...
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Marc Delisle wrote:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
[1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89
It interesting to get such reports, but I don't have expertise in icon-making. Maybe Michael can help in this matter?
About the fact that the left logo is too big in 800x600, I agree. And this would be quickly fixed for 2.10.
Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left logo should link?
Marc
the navi logo is configurable already: $cfg['LeftDisplayLogo'] = TRUE; // display logo at top of left frame $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'http://www.phpmyadmin.net/'; // where should logo link point to ppl just don't read the docs :( -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/First-usability-report-tf3188083.html#a8850380 Sent from the phpmyadmin-devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Jürgen Wind a écrit :
Marc Delisle wrote:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
[1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89 It interesting to get such reports, but I don't have expertise in icon-making. Maybe Michael can help in this matter?
About the fact that the left logo is too big in 800x600, I agree. And this would be quickly fixed for 2.10.
Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left logo should link?
Marc
the navi logo is configurable already:
$cfg['LeftDisplayLogo'] = TRUE; // display logo at top of left frame $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'http://www.phpmyadmin.net/'; // where should logo link point to
ppl just don't read the docs :(
Well, I think that his report is just saying what the default linking behavior should be about this logo, according to "conventions". When I install Moodle, there is a logo at the bottom of the main page, that links to their home site and not the home page of the application. Marc
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Jürgen Wind a écrit :
Marc Delisle wrote:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
[1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89 It interesting to get such reports, but I don't have expertise in icon-making. Maybe Michael can help in this matter?
About the fact that the left logo is too big in 800x600, I agree. And this would be quickly fixed for 2.10.
Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left logo should link?
the navi logo is configurable already:
$cfg['LeftDisplayLogo'] = TRUE; // display logo at top of left frame $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'http://www.phpmyadmin.net/'; // where should logo link point to
ppl just don't read the docs :(
Well, I think that his report is just saying what the default linking behavior should be about this logo, according to "conventions".
When I install Moodle, there is a logo at the bottom of the main page, that links to their home site and not the home page of the application.
yes indeed - should link to index.php but should we keep target="_blank" ? i would suggest remove target -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
Greetings, and sorry for my intrusion to the dev list :-) On 2/7/07, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. Very exciting and interesting!
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left logo should link?
The following applications I'm familiar with link to the local "home page:" * Mediawiki * Drupal * phpWiki And I'm sure there are more, those are just the ones I have quick access to check. I can't recall *any* application other than PMA which handles that link by directing off-site. The PMA site is already linked off of the main home page, so people who want it should be able to find it easily enough; for what it's worth I agree with the usability comments in this regard. Regards, ~isaac
Isaac Bennetch a écrit :
Greetings, and sorry for my intrusion to the dev list :-)
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :)
On 2/7/07, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. Very exciting and interesting!
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left logo should link?
The following applications I'm familiar with link to the local "home page:" * Mediawiki * Drupal * phpWiki And I'm sure there are more, those are just the ones I have quick access to check.
I can't recall *any* application other than PMA which handles that link by directing off-site. The PMA site is already linked off of the main home page, so people who want it should be able to find it easily enough; for what it's worth I agree with the usability comments in this regard.
Regards, ~isaac
Thanks Isaac, I'm convinced now :) I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now? Marc
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :) Thank you
I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now?
Personally, I would strongly suggest leaving the home button. Removing it will only confuse users who don't realize the logo is a link at all -- plus the home button is very clear from a usability standpoint; we wouldn't want to loose usability. Would it do to change libraries/config.default.php to: $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = '.' ? Also we probably want to remove the target="_blank" from libraries/navigation_header.inc.php line 28.
Isaac Bennetch schrieb:
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :) Thank you
I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now?
Personally, I would strongly suggest leaving the home button. Removing it will only confuse users who don't realize the logo is a link at all -- plus the home button is very clear from a usability standpoint; we wouldn't want to loose usability.
Would it do to change libraries/config.default.php to: $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = '.' ?
Also we probably want to remove the target="_blank" from libraries/navigation_header.inc.php line 28.
this would open index.hphp (the frameset) inside the navigation frame again ... ;-) we need href="index.php" and target="_top" or href="main.php" and target="frame_main" or href="navigation.php" and target="frame_navi" but i would suggest first target="_top" and using $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'index.php'; // where should logo link point to -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Isaac Bennetch schrieb:
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :) Thank you
I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now? Personally, I would strongly suggest leaving the home button. Removing it will only confuse users who don't realize the logo is a link at all -- plus the home button is very clear from a usability standpoint; we wouldn't want to loose usability.
Would it do to change libraries/config.default.php to: $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = '.' ?
Also we probably want to remove the target="_blank" from libraries/navigation_header.inc.php line 28.
this would open index.hphp (the frameset) inside the navigation frame again ... ;-)
we need href="index.php" and target="_top" or
href="main.php" and target="frame_main" or href="navigation.php" and target="frame_navi"
but i would suggest first target="_top" and using
$cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'index.php'; // where should logo link point to
Hmmm, for the Home icon, why don't we currently use $cfg['DefaultTabServer'] instead of forcing "main.php" inside libraries/navigation_header.inc.php ? Another point: if we change the default $cfg['LeftLogoLink'], many people who just copy their older config file won't see the change... Not a big problem I guess? Marc
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Isaac Bennetch schrieb:
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :) Thank you
I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now? Personally, I would strongly suggest leaving the home button. Removing it will only confuse users who don't realize the logo is a link at all -- plus the home button is very clear from a usability standpoint; we wouldn't want to loose usability.
Would it do to change libraries/config.default.php to: $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = '.' ?
Also we probably want to remove the target="_blank" from libraries/navigation_header.inc.php line 28. this would open index.hphp (the frameset) inside the navigation frame again ... ;-)
we need href="index.php" and target="_top" or
href="main.php" and target="frame_main" or href="navigation.php" and target="frame_navi"
but i would suggest first target="_top" and using
$cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'index.php'; // where should logo link point to
Hmmm, for the Home icon, why don't we currently use $cfg['DefaultTabServer'] instead of forcing "main.php" inside libraries/navigation_header.inc.php ?
does this requires a selected server?
Another point: if we change the default $cfg['LeftLogoLink'], many people who just copy their older config file won't see the change... Not a big problem I guess?
i guess too -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Isaac Bennetch schrieb:
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :) Thank you
I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now? Personally, I would strongly suggest leaving the home button. Removing it will only confuse users who don't realize the logo is a link at all -- plus the home button is very clear from a usability standpoint; we wouldn't want to loose usability.
Would it do to change libraries/config.default.php to: $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = '.' ?
Also we probably want to remove the target="_blank" from libraries/navigation_header.inc.php line 28. this would open index.hphp (the frameset) inside the navigation frame again ... ;-)
we need href="index.php" and target="_top" or
href="main.php" and target="frame_main" or href="navigation.php" and target="frame_navi"
but i would suggest first target="_top" and using
$cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'index.php'; // where should logo link point to Hmmm, for the Home icon, why don't we currently use $cfg['DefaultTabServer'] instead of forcing "main.php" inside libraries/navigation_header.inc.php ?
does this requires a selected server?
I'm not sure so let's forget this :)
Another point: if we change the default $cfg['LeftLogoLink'], many people who just copy their older config file won't see the change... Not a big problem I guess?
i guess too
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Isaac Bennetch schrieb:
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :) Thank you
I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now? Personally, I would strongly suggest leaving the home button. Removing it will only confuse users who don't realize the logo is a link at all -- plus the home button is very clear from a usability standpoint; we wouldn't want to loose usability.
Would it do to change libraries/config.default.php to: $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = '.' ?
Also we probably want to remove the target="_blank" from libraries/navigation_header.inc.php line 28. this would open index.hphp (the frameset) inside the navigation frame again ... ;-)
we need href="index.php" and target="_top" or
href="main.php" and target="frame_main" or href="navigation.php" and target="frame_navi"
but i would suggest first target="_top" and using
$cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'index.php'; // where should logo link point to
Hmmm, for the Home icon, why don't we currently use $cfg['DefaultTabServer'] instead of forcing "main.php" inside libraries/navigation_header.inc.php ?
currently we have an external url and using target to open in new window if we change it to a local subpage this page would open in a new window - so we have to change target too - if a customer has changed $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] to another URL this url will now load in the main frame ... not intended, or? -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Isaac Bennetch schrieb:
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :) Thank you
I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now? Personally, I would strongly suggest leaving the home button. Removing it will only confuse users who don't realize the logo is a link at all -- plus the home button is very clear from a usability standpoint; we wouldn't want to loose usability.
Would it do to change libraries/config.default.php to: $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = '.' ?
Also we probably want to remove the target="_blank" from libraries/navigation_header.inc.php line 28. this would open index.hphp (the frameset) inside the navigation frame again ... ;-)
we need href="index.php" and target="_top" or
href="main.php" and target="frame_main" or href="navigation.php" and target="frame_navi"
but i would suggest first target="_top" and using
$cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'index.php'; // where should logo link point to Hmmm, for the Home icon, why don't we currently use $cfg['DefaultTabServer'] instead of forcing "main.php" inside libraries/navigation_header.inc.php ?
currently we have an external url and using target to open in new window
if we change it to a local subpage this page would open in a new window - so we have to change target too - if a customer has changed $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] to another URL this url will now load in the main frame ... not intended, or?
Other software may not have this problem because their top-left logo links to a fixed place, ours is customizable. I suggest detecting if $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] starts with "http", in this case we target a new window, else we target our main window. Marc
Marc Delisle a écrit :
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Isaac Bennetch schrieb:
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :) Thank you
I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now? Personally, I would strongly suggest leaving the home button. Removing it will only confuse users who don't realize the logo is a link at all -- plus the home button is very clear from a usability standpoint; we wouldn't want to loose usability.
Would it do to change libraries/config.default.php to: $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = '.' ?
Also we probably want to remove the target="_blank" from libraries/navigation_header.inc.php line 28. this would open index.hphp (the frameset) inside the navigation frame again ... ;-)
we need href="index.php" and target="_top" or
href="main.php" and target="frame_main" or href="navigation.php" and target="frame_navi"
but i would suggest first target="_top" and using
$cfg['LeftLogoLink'] = 'index.php'; // where should logo link point to Hmmm, for the Home icon, why don't we currently use $cfg['DefaultTabServer'] instead of forcing "main.php" inside libraries/navigation_header.inc.php ? currently we have an external url and using target to open in new window
if we change it to a local subpage this page would open in a new window - so we have to change target too - if a customer has changed $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] to another URL this url will now load in the main frame ... not intended, or?
Other software may not have this problem because their top-left logo links to a fixed place, ours is customizable.
I suggest detecting if $cfg['LeftLogoLink'] starts with "http", in this case we target a new window, else we target our main window.
Marc
Merged this detection in trunk, please test and comment! Marc
Marc Delisle wrote:
Isaac Bennetch a écrit :
Greetings, and sorry for my intrusion to the dev list :-)
Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :)
On 2/7/07, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote:
This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. Very exciting and interesting!
On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left logo should link?
The following applications I'm familiar with link to the local "home page:" * Mediawiki * Drupal * phpWiki And I'm sure there are more, those are just the ones I have quick access to check.
I can't recall *any* application other than PMA which handles that link by directing off-site. The PMA site is already linked off of the main home page, so people who want it should be able to find it easily enough; for what it's worth I agree with the usability comments in this regard.
Regards, ~isaac
Thanks Isaac, I'm convinced now :) I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about the Home icon. Should we remove it right now?
Marc
i vote for $cfg['LeftDisplayLogo'] = FALSE; // display logo at top of left frame in lib/config.default. the navi home icon is very useful to quickly get to the main page! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/First-usability-report-tf3188083.html#a8852569 Sent from the phpmyadmin-devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Jürgen Wind a écrit : > > > Marc Delisle wrote: >> Isaac Bennetch a écrit : >>> Greetings, and sorry for my intrusion to the dev list :-) >> Isaac you are more than welcome on this list :) >> >>> On 2/7/07, Michal Čihař <michal@cihar.com> wrote: >>>> This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. >>> Very exciting and interesting! >>> >>> On 2/7/07, Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote: >>>> Are there some examples to corroborate the fact about where a top-left >>>> logo should link? >>> The following applications I'm familiar with link to the local "home >>> page:" >>> * Mediawiki >>> * Drupal >>> * phpWiki >>> And I'm sure there are more, those are just the ones I have quick >>> access to check. >>> >>> I can't recall *any* application other than PMA which handles that >>> link by directing off-site. The PMA site is already linked off of the >>> main home page, so people who want it should be able to find it easily >>> enough; for what it's worth I agree with the usability comments in >>> this regard. >>> >>> Regards, >>> ~isaac >> Thanks Isaac, I'm convinced now :) >> I guess that 2.10.0-rc1 should implement this change, but I wonder about >> the Home icon. Should we remove it right now? >> >> Marc >> >> > i vote for $cfg['LeftDisplayLogo'] = FALSE; // display logo at top > of left frame > in lib/config.default. > > the navi home icon is very useful to quickly get to the main page! I prefer to display the logo by default; it would become smaller and link to the same place as the Home icon. Marc
Marc Delisle wrote:
Jürgen Wind a écrit :
i vote for $cfg['LeftDisplayLogo'] = FALSE; // display logo at top of left frame in lib/config.default.
the navi home icon is very useful to quickly get to the main page!
I prefer to display the logo by default; it would become smaller and link to the same place as the Home icon.
Marc
that's probably the best solution. Juergen -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/First-usability-report-tf3188083.html#a8869044 Sent from the phpmyadmin-devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Michal Čihař schrieb:
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
oh - icons - yes! i also found that the one we are using are sometimes hard to 'read' some time ago i suggested using tango project icons ... -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
[1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89
About the export/import icons: - I agree that the arrows should be enlarged - Why does the reporter say that for export, the arrow should be pointing downward? Marc
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
[1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89
About the export/import icons:
- I agree that the arrows should be enlarged
- Why does the reporter say that for export, the arrow should be pointing downward?
to make it more different? i would like 'bend' arrows http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/docum... http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/edit-... http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/mail-... http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery couldn't we try to open a job request on sf.net for some gui/icon designer? -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
[1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89 About the export/import icons:
- I agree that the arrows should be enlarged
- Why does the reporter say that for export, the arrow should be pointing downward?
to make it more different?
Ah now I get it. For export, the idea is "save" which goes downward to your drive. For import, the idea is "upload" that goes to your "up" server.
i would like 'bend' arrows
http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/docum... http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/edit-... http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/mail-...
I'm not sure we can switch to Tango because of their license (not GPL).
couldn't we try to open a job request on sf.net for some gui/icon designer?
Isn't that what we do when we request new themes? Do you mean, to redesign the "original" theme? I would prefer to improve the original theme with the Open Usability suggestions, keeping the same icons. Marc
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:47:53 -0500 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isn't that what we do when we request new themes? Do you mean, to redesign the "original" theme? I would prefer to improve the original theme with the Open Usability suggestions, keeping the same icons.
Well having completely new theme without keeping old icon sounds like a better idea to me. Also job request might achieve better visibility. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
Michal Čihař a écrit :
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:47:53 -0500 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isn't that what we do when we request new themes? Do you mean, to redesign the "original" theme? I would prefer to improve the original theme with the Open Usability suggestions, keeping the same icons.
Well having completely new theme without keeping old icon sounds like a better idea to me. Also job request might achieve better visibility.
You mean we would drop the "original" theme from the distribution?
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:57:34 -0500 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:47:53 -0500 Marc Delisle <Marc.Delisle@cegepsherbrooke.qc.ca> wrote:
Isn't that what we do when we request new themes? Do you mean, to redesign the "original" theme? I would prefer to improve the original theme with the Open Usability suggestions, keeping the same icons.
Well having completely new theme without keeping old icon sounds like a better idea to me. Also job request might achieve better visibility.
You mean we would drop the "original" theme from the distribution?
Yes, if we would have better one. -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
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Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
[1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89 About the export/import icons:
- I agree that the arrows should be enlarged
- Why does the reporter say that for export, the arrow should be pointing downward? to make it more different?
Ah now I get it. For export, the idea is "save" which goes downward to your drive.
For import, the idea is "upload" that goes to your "up" server.
i would like 'bend' arrows
http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/docum... http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/edit-... http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/mail-...
I'm not sure we can switch to Tango because of their license (not GPL).
there are not much icons we can use - i currently just have this 'rounded' arrows in mind - i don't think that there is a copyright on this rounded arrows about license: i don't think that there is a problem between and GPL
couldn't we try to open a job request on sf.net for some gui/icon designer?
Isn't that what we do when we request new themes? Do you mean, to redesign the "original" theme? I would prefer to improve the original theme with the Open Usability suggestions, keeping the same icons.
just for designing better icons i do not know if we need much improvement in original theme beside the icons current icons looking very 'outdated' -- Sebastian Mendel www.sebastianmendel.de
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Marc Delisle schrieb:
Sebastian Mendel a écrit :
Marc Delisle schrieb:
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi all
some of you might remember that I added phpMyAdmin to OpenUsability project. This brought first fruit and we got first usability report[1]. There are some technical problems with images right now, so you have to download XML to see them (well in fact it will download xml + images in zip file).
There are some suggestions for improving icons readability, which I generally like, but I don't have time to look at it more deeply right now. Anybody interested in merging those suggestions to our code? :-)
[1]: http://www.openusability.org/reports/view.php?group_id=153&repid=89 About the export/import icons:
- I agree that the arrows should be enlarged
- Why does the reporter say that for export, the arrow should be pointing downward? to make it more different? Ah now I get it. For export, the idea is "save" which goes downward to your drive.
For import, the idea is "upload" that goes to your "up" server.
i would like 'bend' arrows
http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/docum... http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/edit-... http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/32x32/actions/mail-...
http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery I'm not sure we can switch to Tango because of their license (not GPL).
there are not much icons we can use - i currently just have this 'rounded' arrows in mind - i don't think that there is a copyright on this rounded arrows
about license: i don't think that there is a problem between and GPL
Look here for Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html Of course, this is the position of the FSF but we are using GPL.
couldn't we try to open a job request on sf.net for some gui/icon designer? Isn't that what we do when we request new themes? Do you mean, to redesign the "original" theme? I would prefer to improve the original theme with the Open Usability suggestions, keeping the same icons.
just for designing better icons i do not know if we need much improvement in original theme beside the icons
current icons looking very 'outdated'
Ok, let's post a News item about a design icon contest for the original theme? Marc
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