5 Apr
2010
5 Apr
'10
9:55 a.m.
Hello everyone
Michael Keck and I were discussing about templates in PMA. We both
would like to convert phpMyAdmin to use a template system. We did not
make a decision yet on using Twig or Dwoo but are discussing that. I
would like to contribute as a GSoC student for this transition. The
problem is, that there is too much work to do for 12 weeks. That's why
Michael and I were thinking about partitioning the tasks in order to
be able to finish it faster. It would not be a real cooperation as we
would define who is responsible for what section of PMA.
I'm not sure whether Michael can or wants to be a mentor himself or it
would help for the project to be done.
What do you think about that?
Regards
Silvan
5 Apr
5 Apr
10:45 a.m.
Silvan Troxler a écrit :
Hello everyone
Michael Keck and I were discussing about templates in PMA. We both
would like to convert phpMyAdmin to use a template system. We did not
make a decision yet on using Twig or Dwoo but are discussing that. I
would like to contribute as a GSoC student for this transition. The
problem is, that there is too much work to do for 12 weeks. That's why
Michael and I were thinking about partitioning the tasks in order to
be able to finish it faster. It would not be a real cooperation as we
would define who is responsible for what section of PMA.
I'm not sure whether Michael can or wants to be a mentor himself or it
would help for the project to be done.
What do you think about that?
Regards
Silvan
Silvan,
Here is my personal opinion. In your proposal you have to define the
scope of the project, and you are evaluated at mid-term and at the end
of the project on your individual accomplishments. You can ask help from
others (even "sub-contract" parts of the project) without the mentors or
Google knowing (this has been discussed on the Google mentors list).
However you are still responsible for the whole project.
So, if Michael Keck wants to help you, this is fine, but in this case I
don't believe it would be appropriate that he acts as your mentor, as
the mentor has to remain objective in his evaluation and he would be
evaluating some code he has written.
Another possibility is to reduce the scope of this project in order to
fit one person x twelve weeks.
--
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6 Apr
6 Apr
4:49 a.m.
Hi
Dne Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:45:36 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
So, if Michael Keck wants to help you, this is fine,
but in this case I
don't believe it would be appropriate that he acts as your mentor, as
the mentor has to remain objective in his evaluation and he would be
evaluating some code he has written.
Well I think the main question is if he is willing to act as mentor at
all :-). If the project is clearly defined, it can be on other side
good to have mentor who is quite passionate about the topic and can
better see possible problems with student work.
--
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7 Apr
7 Apr
5:29 a.m.
Thanks for your opinions.
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
Another possibility is to reduce the scope of this
project in order to
fit one person x twelve weeks.
This is what I want to do. With working together with Michael Keck I
just want to make sure that the new code can be used after developing
it and not just awaits somebody for finishing it (what could take a
long time).
I will discuss this further with Michael, especially the part on how
to partition the tasks so that my work can be evaluated. Expect me to
update my proposal according to this soon.
Regards
Silvan
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:45:36 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
So, if Michael Keck wants to help you, this is
fine, but in this case I
don't believe it would be appropriate that he acts as your mentor, as
the mentor has to remain objective in his evaluation and he would be
evaluating some code he has written.
Well I think the main question is if he is willing to act as mentor at
all :-). If the project is clearly defined, it can be on other side
good to have mentor who is quite passionate about the topic and can
better see possible problems with student work.
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10:01 a.m.
Michael Keck and I were discussing whether to use Dwoo or Twig. We
both think, Dwoo is the better choice. While Twig is in an early
development stage and introduces a new template syntax, Dwoo was
around for a while now and the syntax is very similar or even
compatible to Smarty. This makes it easier to code for everybody who
is familiar with the very well known and widely used Smarty. But Dwoo
started as a pure PHP5 project and doesn't have "dead weight" as
Smarty.
I everyone is content with this decision.
Best regards
Silvan
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Silvan Troxler
<silvan.troxler(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for your opinions.
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
Another possibility is to reduce the scope of
this project in order to
fit one person x twelve weeks.
This is what I want to do. With working together with Michael Keck I
just want to make sure that the new code can be used after developing
it and not just awaits somebody for finishing it (what could take a
long time).
I will discuss this further with Michael, especially the part on how
to partition the tasks so that my work can be evaluated. Expect me to
update my proposal according to this soon.
Regards
Silvan
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:45:36 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
So, if Michael Keck wants to help you, this is
fine, but in this case I
don't believe it would be appropriate that he acts as your mentor, as
the mentor has to remain objective in his evaluation and he would be
evaluating some code he has written.
Well I think the main question is if he is willing to act as mentor at
all :-). If the project is clearly defined, it can be on other side
good to have mentor who is quite passionate about the topic and can
better see possible problems with student work.
--
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2:19 p.m.
2010/4/7 Silvan Troxler <silvan.troxler(a)gmail.com>om>:
Michael Keck and I were discussing whether to use Dwoo
or Twig. We
both think, Dwoo is the better choice. While Twig is in an early
development stage and introduces a new template syntax, Dwoo was
around for a while now and the syntax is very similar or even
compatible to Smarty. This makes it easier to code for everybody who
is familiar with the very well known and widely used Smarty. But Dwoo
started as a pure PHP5 project and doesn't have "dead weight" as
Smarty.
I everyone is content with this decision.
Best regards
Silvan
This probably comes a bit late, but have you considered http://phptal.org/ ?
The huge benefit of TAL ist that it's template code is valid XML, so
most HTML editors handle it pretty well with syntax checking etc.
I don't really have an opinion on Dwoo or Twig, but I'd consider the
following points:
* Dwoo: mostly written by a single guy. smarty compatibilty is a good
point though.
* Twig: maintained by sensiolabs, who also made the symfony webapp
framework. these slides also point out a lot of nice things about
Twig:
http://www.slideshare.net/fabpot/twig-the-flexible-fast-and-securetemplate-…
Regards,
Philip
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Silvan Troxler
<silvan.troxler(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for your opinions.
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
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Another possibility is to reduce the scope of
this project in order to
fit one person x twelve weeks.
This is what I want to do. With working together with Michael Keck I
just want to make sure that the new code can be used after developing
it and not just awaits somebody for finishing it (what could take a
long time).
I will discuss this further with Michael, especially the part on how
to partition the tasks so that my work can be evaluated. Expect me to
update my proposal according to this soon.
Regards
Silvan
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:45:36 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
So, if Michael Keck wants to help you, this is
fine, but in this case I
don't believe it would be appropriate that he acts as your mentor, as
the mentor has to remain objective in his evaluation and he would be
evaluating some code he has written.
Well I think the main question is if he is willing to act as mentor at
all :-). If the project is clearly defined, it can be on other side
good to have mentor who is quite passionate about the topic and can
better see possible problems with student work.
--
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2:50 p.m.
Hi,
Am 07.04.2010 19:19, schrieb Philip Frank:
2010/4/7 Silvan Troxler
<silvan.troxler(a)gmail.com>om>:
Yes of course.
Michael Keck and I were discussing whether to use
Dwoo or Twig. We
both think, Dwoo is the better choice. While Twig is in an early
development stage and introduces a new template syntax, Dwoo was
around for a while now and the syntax is very similar or even
compatible to Smarty. This makes it easier to code for everybody who
is familiar with the very well known and widely used Smarty. But Dwoo
started as a pure PHP5 project and doesn't have "dead weight" as
Smarty.
I everyone is content with this decision.
This probably comes a bit late, but have you considered http://phptal.org/ ?
The huge benefit of TAL ist that it's template
code is valid XML, so
most HTML editors handle it pretty well with syntax checking etc.
That's right, but it's to difficult to see where is wich content. What
I
mean is
<a href="{ url }">{ link_description }</a> makes for every people
the code
easier to read and understand instead of
<a href="{ url }" tal:getContent="link_description" />.
I don't really have an opinion on Dwoo or Twig,
but I'd consider the
following points:
* Dwoo: mostly written by a single guy. smarty compatibilty is a good
point though.
* Twig: maintained by sensiolabs, who also made the symfony webapp
framework. these slides also point out a lot of nice things about
Twig:
http://www.slideshare.net/fabpot/twig-the-flexible-fast-and-securetemplate-…
Regards,
Philip
2:23 p.m.
Silvan Troxler a écrit :
Michael Keck and I were discussing whether to use Dwoo
or Twig. We
both think, Dwoo is the better choice. While Twig is in an early
development stage and introduces a new template syntax, Dwoo was
around for a while now and the syntax is very similar or even
compatible to Smarty. This makes it easier to code for everybody who
is familiar with the very well known and widely used Smarty. But Dwoo
started as a pure PHP5 project and doesn't have "dead weight" as
Smarty.
I everyone is content with this decision.
Best regards
Silvan
Maybe it's a little early to call this a "decision"? Let's say a
"strong
proposition".
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