21 Jun
2011
21 Jun
'11
10:16 a.m.
Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
Maybe this could be asked in the user survey but I would like opinions
from this list, soon.
The reason is that supporting this mode for all new features increases
code complexity; I am in favor of removing this feature.
--
Marc Delisle
http://infomarc.info
21 Jun
21 Jun
10:28 a.m.
On 6/21/2011 9:16 AM, Marc Delisle wrote:
Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
Maybe this could be asked in the user survey but I would like opinions
from this list, soon.
The reason is that supporting this mode for all new features increases
code complexity; I am in favor of removing this feature.
For what it's worth, I've never used it, have never spoken to anyone who
mentioned using it (certainly no one in IRC has sought help with it to
my recollection), and a quick search on Google doesn't find any
interesting results about switching to vertical mode (mostly
documentation and developer notes).
Regards,
~isaac
10:34 a.m.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Isaac Bennetch <bennetch(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/21/2011 9:16 AM, Marc Delisle wrote:
I feel that it's not worth maintaining the functionality,
considering the
complexity it adds to the code.
I am also in favor of removing it.
--
Thanks and Regards,
Madhura Jayaratne
Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
Maybe this could be asked in the user survey but I would like opinions
from this list, soon.
The reason is that supporting this mode for all new features increases
code complexity; I am in favor of removing this feature.
For what it's worth, I've never used it, have never spoken to anyone who
mentioned using it (certainly no one in IRC has sought help with it to
my recollection), and a quick search on Google doesn't find any
interesting results about switching to vertical mode (mostly
documentation and developer notes).
Can't agree more. 
10:46 a.m.
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 19:04 +0530, Madhura Jayaratne wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Isaac Bennetch
<bennetch(a)gmail.com> wrote:
+1. The only time I used it was when implementing a feature request.
Rouslan
On 6/21/2011 9:16 AM, Marc Delisle wrote:
I feel that it's not worth maintaining the
functionality, considering the
complexity it adds to the code.
I am also in favor of removing it.
Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
Maybe this could be asked in the user survey but I would like opinions
from this list, soon.
The reason is that supporting this mode for all new features increases
code complexity; I am in favor of removing this feature.
For what it's worth, I've never used it, have never spoken to anyone who
mentioned using it (certainly no one in IRC has sought help with it to
my recollection), and a quick search on Google doesn't find any
interesting results about switching to vertical mode (mostly
documentation and developer notes).
Can't agree more. 
11:15 a.m.
On 21 Jun 2011, at 20:46, Rouslan Placella <rouslan(a)placella.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 19:04 +0530, Madhura Jayaratne
wrote:
I also agree. Future development regarding tables will also be easier then.
--
Aris Feryanto
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Isaac Bennetch
<bennetch(a)gmail.com> wrote:
+1. The only time I used it was when implementing a feature request.
On 6/21/2011 9:16 AM, Marc Delisle wrote:
I feel that it's not worth maintaining the
functionality, considering the
complexity it adds to the code.
I am also in favor of removing it.
Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
Maybe this could be asked in the user survey but I would like opinions
from this list, soon.
The reason is that supporting this mode for all new features increases
code complexity; I am in favor of removing this feature.
For what it's worth, I've never used it, have never spoken to anyone who
mentioned using it (certainly no one in IRC has sought help with it to
my recollection), and a quick search on Google doesn't find any
interesting results about switching to vertical mode (mostly
documentation and developer notes).
Can't agree more.
10:43 a.m.
Marc Delisle a écrit :
Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
Maybe this could be asked in the user survey but I would like opinions
from this list, soon.
The reason is that supporting this mode for all new features increases
code complexity; I am in favor of removing this feature.
Of course I meant removing it starting with 3.5.x.
--
Marc Delisle
http://infomarc.info
11:06 a.m.
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:16:50 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages
in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
Maybe this could be asked in the user survey but I would like opinions
from this list, soon.
The reason is that supporting this mode for all new features increases
code complexity; I am in favor of removing this feature.
You mean in browsing? I think it can be removed, I've never used it.
PS: I think editing table structure should have also only one mode and
not vertical and horizontal like we have right now...
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
11:13 a.m.
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:16:50 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
Sorry, only talking about browsing here
I know that vertical mode has been available for
ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
Maybe this could be asked in the user survey but I would like opinions
from this list, soon.
The reason is that supporting this mode for all new features increases
code complexity; I am in favor of removing this feature.
You mean in browsing? I think it can be removed, I've never used it.
PS: I think editing table structure should have also only one mode and
not vertical and horizontal like we have right now...
For table structure, using just horizontal proved problematic (required
much scrolling) but maybe this can be improved in another clever way.
Horizontal or vertical modes are problematic when there are more than 3
columns...
--
Marc Delisle
http://infomarc.info
11:27 a.m.
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:13:24 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
Indeed, but the changing it at 3 columns is pretty confusing,
especially when you add fourth column.
I think the way it is done in Adminer can be good inspiration:
http://adminer.sourceforge.net/adminer.php?username=&db=a264133_8j3ib55…
- Default values not show unless specially asked for
- Collation and Attributes share same column because they apply to
different column types
- It also does not allow to define additional indexes while creating
table
--
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PS: I think
editing table structure should have also only one mode and
not vertical and horizontal like we have right now...
For table structure, using just horizontal proved problematic (required
much scrolling) but maybe this can be improved in another clever way.
Horizontal or vertical modes are problematic when there are more than 3
columns...
11:36 a.m.
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:13:24 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
Indeed, but the changing it at 3 columns is pretty confusing,
especially when you add fourth column.
I think the way it is done in Adminer can be good inspiration:
http://adminer.sourceforge.net/adminer.php?username=&db=a264133_8j3ib55…
- Default values not show unless specially asked for
- Collation and Attributes share same column because they apply to
different column types
- It also does not allow to define additional indexes while creating
table
I haven't checked how they do it, but they don't need (like we do) to
show these:
- MIME type
- Browser transformation
- Transformation options
--
Marc Delisle
http://infomarc.info
PS: I
think editing table structure should have also only one mode and
not vertical and horizontal like we have right now...
For table structure, using
just horizontal proved problematic (required
much scrolling) but maybe this can be improved in another clever way.
Horizontal or vertical modes are problematic when there are more than 3
columns...
11:39 a.m.
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:36:54 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I haven't checked how they do it, but they
don't need (like we do) to
show these:
- MIME type
- Browser transformation
- Transformation options
Indeed. Maybe this could be moved to browse options and configured from
there? This way you can apply transformation even for one time browsing
and not requiring configuration storage what would make this feature
much more visible than it is currently.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
11:51 a.m.
Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:36:54 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
For people (like one of the teachers here) who rely daily on seeing his
images while browsing, it would not be productive to have to specify
transformation options everytime he browses.
But I agree that *as an additional feature*, this can be configurable
when browsing.
--
Marc Delisle
http://infomarc.info
I haven't checked how they do it, but they
don't need (like we do) to
show these:
- MIME type
- Browser transformation
- Transformation options
Indeed. Maybe this could be moved to browse options and configured from
there? This way you can apply transformation even for one time browsing
and not requiring configuration storage what would make this feature
much more visible than it is currently.
11:55 a.m.
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:51:27 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
Michal Čihař a écrit :
The column order is saved as well between session, so would be the
transformations. I think it's more logical to define browse
transformations while browsing and not when creating table. This would
be especially true when the table is not being created in phpMyAdmin.
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:36:54 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
For people (like one of the teachers here) who rely daily on seeing his
images while browsing, it would not be productive to have to specify
transformation options everytime he browses. I haven't checked how they do it, but they
don't need (like we do) to
show these:
- MIME type
- Browser transformation
- Transformation options
Indeed. Maybe this could be moved to browse options and configured from
there? This way you can apply transformation even for one time browsing
and not requiring configuration storage what would make this feature
much more visible than it is currently. But I agree that *as an additional feature*, this can
be configurable
when browsing.
I don't think we need two ways to configure same thing.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
11:57 a.m.
Michal Čihař a écrit :
--
Marc Delisle
http://infomarc.info
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:51:27 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I did not understand what you meant, as you wrote "not requiring
configuration storage".
Michal Čihař a écrit :
The column order is saved as well between session, so would be the
transformations. I think it's more logical to define browse
transformations while browsing and not when creating table. This would
be especially true when the table is not being created in phpMyAdmin. Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:36:54 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
For people (like one of the teachers here)
who rely daily on seeing his
images while browsing, it would not be productive to have to specify
transformation options everytime he browses. I haven't checked how they do it, but they
don't need (like we do) to
show these:
- MIME type
- Browser transformation
- Transformation options
Indeed. Maybe this could be moved to browse options and
configured from
there? This way you can apply transformation even for one time browsing
and not requiring configuration storage what would make this feature
much more visible than it is currently. But I agree that *as an additional feature*, this
can be configurable
when browsing.
I don't think we need two ways to configure same thing.
12:04 p.m.
New subject: [Phpmyadmin-devel] Configuring browse transformations [was: Is vertical mode useful?]
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:57:54 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
I did not understand what you meant, as you wrote
"not requiring
configuration storage".
By not requiring I mean it will work also without it, but settings will
be kept only for one session in this case (I guess column reordering
works this way). In case it is available settings will be stored
permanently.
This is just an idea I got when you brought up these features missing
from create table dialog, because I think these options really don't
belong there.
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com
1:06 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
How did it get there in the first place?
Maybe this could be asked in the user survey but I would like opinions
from this list, soon.
The reason is that supporting this mode for all new features increases
code complexity; I am in favor of removing this feature.
I'd also suggest to make some sort of survey about this before
removing it. As for me, I have never used it either, but I could
imagine it would be useful for tables with *lots* of columns.
It is indeed questionable whether it pays off to have vertical mode
for the price of increased code complexity.
--
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http://infomarc.info
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6:07 a.m.
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:06:08 +0200
Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Marc Delisle
<marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
I think it's there from very ancient times :-). Actually Marc has
committed this in 2001.
Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
How did it get there in the first place? I'd also suggest to make some sort of survey about
this before
removing it. As for me, I have never used it either, but I could
imagine it would be useful for tables with *lots* of columns.
It is indeed questionable whether it pays off to have vertical mode
for the price of increased code complexity.
I think it can be added to list of features we ask whether people
know/use in the survey. But it would postpone removal for quite a long
time.
--
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6:49 a.m.
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:06:08 +0200
Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
What about putting a (bi-)weekly poll on the phpmyadmin website for a
quick survey like this?
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Marc Delisle
<marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
I think it's there from very ancient times :-). Actually Marc has
committed this in 2001.
Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
How did it get there in the first place? I'd also suggest to make some sort of survey
about this before
removing it. As for me, I have never used it either, but I could
imagine it would be useful for tables with *lots* of columns.
It is indeed questionable whether it pays off to have vertical mode
for the price of increased code complexity.
I think it can be added to list of features we ask whether people
know/use in the survey. But it would postpone removal for quite a long
time.
--
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8:06 a.m.
Le 2011-06-22 05:07, Michal Čihař a écrit :
Hi
Dne Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:06:08 +0200
Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
It came from this proposed patch:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=492470&group_id=23…
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Marc Delisle
<marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
I think it's there from very ancient times :-). Actually Marc has
committed this in 2001. Hi,
I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
How did it get there in the first place? 
8:39 a.m.
Hi!
I think it's there from very ancient times :-). Actually Marc has
committed this in 2001.
It came from this proposed patch:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=492470&group_id=23…
10
I actually still find this quite useful, especially when I work with Typ3 Tables
which often have 30+ columns... :-)
Regards,
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I know that
vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
I'm wondering if it's useful.
How did it get there in the first place?
9:29 a.m.
Le 2011-06-23 07:39, Garvin Hicking a écrit :
Hi!
>>>> I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
>>>> I'm wondering if it's useful.
I actually still find this quite useful, especially
when I work with Typ3 Tables
which often have 30+ columns... :-)
Regards,
Garvin
Hi Garvin,
don't you have to scroll vertically then?
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27 Jun
27 Jun
8:35 a.m.
Hi
Dne Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:29:53 -0400
Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> napsal(a):
Le 2011-06-23 07:39, Garvin Hicking a écrit :
Not really - at least when I tried this with a 35 columns table, I'm
able to see single row from table at once in vertical mode, while it
takes 3-4 screens to see them in horizontal mode (on 1920x1200 screen).
It takes only 2 screens in horizontal mode with flipped headers, but I
find flipped headers so ugly, that I would never use this one.
This does not change anything on the fact that I do not use vertical
mode :-).
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Hi!
>>>> I know that vertical mode has been available for ages in phpMyAdmin but
>>>> I'm wondering if it's useful.
I actually still find this quite useful,
especially when I work with Typ3 Tables
which often have 30+ columns... :-)
Regards,
Garvin
Hi Garvin,
don't you have to scroll vertically then?
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