2 May
2011
2 May
'11
5:31 p.m.
In phpMyAdmin 3.3 most of the export settings were visible in one page
without scrolling, hence requiring only very few clicks to export what
you need. But in 3.4 when I try to export the table structure I first
need to click '(o) custom' then scroll down and search through all the
text where in order to find where I select '(o) structure'. It feels
very unintuitive for me.
What about:
a) We put all the settings in jquery tabs
b) On the first tab will be the most used options: Format, Output type
(File / as Text) and what to dump (2 checkboxes for each data and
structure)
Here's a demo of the tabs: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/
Also, all the pma demos on the server seem to have troubles:
Warning in ./libraries/dbi/mysqli.dbi.lib.php#111
mysqli_real_connect(): (28000/1045): Access denied for user
'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
2 May
2 May
5:41 p.m.
Now the demos seem to work again.
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In phpMyAdmin 3.3 most of the export settings were
visible in one page
without scrolling, hence requiring only very few clicks to export what
you need. But in 3.4 when I try to export the table structure I first
need to click '(o) custom' then scroll down and search through all the
text where in order to find where I select '(o) structure'. It feels
very unintuitive for me.
What about:
a) We put all the settings in jquery tabs
b) On the first tab will be the most used options: Format, Output type
(File / as Text) and what to dump (2 checkboxes for each data and
structure)
Here's a demo of the tabs: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/
Also, all the pma demos on the server seem to have troubles:
Warning in ./libraries/dbi/mysqli.dbi.lib.php#111
mysqli_real_connect(): (28000/1045): Access denied for user
'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
3 May
3 May
12:33 p.m.
Hi
Dne Mon, 2 May 2011 16:41:49 +0200
Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
Now the demos seem to work again.
Yes, people do break the demo, there is no way to prohibit this since it
is giving full control over the MySQL server. The database is checked
every 10 minutes and should recover automatically.
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2 May
2 May
5:44 p.m.
Tyron Madlener a écrit :
In phpMyAdmin 3.3 most of the export settings were
visible in one page
without scrolling, hence requiring only very few clicks to export what
you need. But in 3.4 when I try to export the table structure I first
need to click '(o) custom' then scroll down and search through all the
text where in order to find where I select '(o) structure'. It feels
very unintuitive for me.
Tyron,
what do you mean "export the table structure"? Do you mean "export
_just_ the table structure" ?
In 3.4, most of the time I leave it in Quick mode and am happy with the
results.
This panel in 3.4 was built this way by a GSoC 2010 student, based on
the results of usability testings.
What about:
a) We put all the settings in jquery tabs
b) On the first tab will be the most used options: Format, Output type
(File / as Text) and what to dump (2 checkboxes for each data and
structure)
Here's a demo of the tabs: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/
Also, all the pma demos on the server seem to have troubles:
Warning in ./libraries/dbi/mysqli.dbi.lib.php#111
mysqli_real_connect(): (28000/1045): Access denied for user
'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
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6:57 p.m.
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
Tyron Madlener a écrit :
Yes, just the table structure without data.
In phpMyAdmin 3.3 most of the export settings
were visible in one page
without scrolling, hence requiring only very few clicks to export what
you need. But in 3.4 when I try to export the table structure I first
need to click '(o) custom' then scroll down and search through all the
text where in order to find where I select '(o) structure'. It feels
very unintuitive for me.
Tyron,
what do you mean "export the table structure"? Do you mean "export
_just_ the table structure" ?
In 3.4, most of the time I leave it in Quick mode and am happy with the
results.
This panel in 3.4 was built this way by a GSoC 2010 student, based on
the results of usability testings.
Oh, I see. Still seems unintuitive for me.
What about:
a) We put all the settings in jquery tabs
b) On the first tab will be the most used options: Format, Output type
(File / as Text) and what to dump (2 checkboxes for each data and
structure)
Here's a demo of the tabs: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/
Also, all the pma demos on the server seem to have troubles:
Warning in ./libraries/dbi/mysqli.dbi.lib.php#111
mysqli_real_connect(): (28000/1045): Access denied for user
'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
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7:22 p.m.
Tyron Madlener a écrit :
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Marc Delisle
<marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
It can be improved but I feel that it's too late to change this in 3.4.x.
About jQuery tabs, I'm not sure because the options vary, depending on
the chosen format. Feel free to further discuss by explaining how many
tabs there would be and their names.
Tyron Madlener a écrit :
Yes, just the table structure without data.
In phpMyAdmin 3.3 most of the export settings
were visible in one page
without scrolling, hence requiring only very few clicks to export what
you need. But in 3.4 when I try to export the table structure I first
need to click '(o) custom' then scroll down and search through all the
text where in order to find where I select '(o) structure'. It feels
very unintuitive for me.
Tyron,
what do you mean "export the table structure"? Do you mean "export
_just_ the table structure" ? In 3.4, most of the time I leave it in Quick mode
and am happy with the
results.
This panel in 3.4 was built this way by a GSoC 2010 student, based on
the results of usability testings.
Oh, I see. Still seems unintuitive for me.
>> What about:
>> a) We put all the settings in jquery tabs
>> b) On the first tab will be the most used options: Format, Output type
>> (File / as Text) and what to dump (2 checkboxes for each data and
>> structure)
>>
>> Here's a demo of the tabs: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/
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7:34 p.m.
2011/5/2 Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info>fo>:
Tyron Madlener a écrit :
I think that using jQuery UI Tabs is an overkill. It's nice in
applications built completely on top of this UI library, but it has a
lot of options that we don't really need. Simple custom made tabs take
around 25 lines of JavaScript and the code is already in PMA
(js/config.js, setTab).
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Piotr Przybylski
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Marc Delisle
<marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
It can be improved but I feel that it's too late to change this in 3.4.x.
About jQuery tabs, I'm not sure because the options vary, depending on
the chosen format. Feel free to further discuss by explaining how many
tabs there would be and their names.
Tyron Madlener a écrit :
Yes, just the table structure without data.
In phpMyAdmin 3.3 most of the export settings
were visible in one page
without scrolling, hence requiring only very few clicks to export what
you need. But in 3.4 when I try to export the table structure I first
need to click '(o) custom' then scroll down and search through all the
text where in order to find where I select '(o) structure'. It feels
very unintuitive for me.
Tyron,
what do you mean "export the table structure"? Do you mean "export
_just_ the table structure" ? In 3.4, most of the time I leave it in Quick mode
and am happy with the
results.
This panel in 3.4 was built this way by a GSoC 2010 student, based on
the results of usability testings.
Oh, I see. Still seems unintuitive for me.
>> What about:
>> a) We put all the settings in jquery tabs
>> b) On the first tab will be the most used options: Format, Output type
>> (File / as Text) and what to dump (2 checkboxes for each data and
>> structure)
>>
>> Here's a demo of the tabs: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/
7:42 p.m.
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Piotr Przybylski <piotr.prz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2011/5/2 Marc Delisle <marc(a)infomarc.info>fo>:
jQuery UI Tabs is already included in phpMyAdmin. So we have no
additional overhead. And the code will be easier to read using jquery
ui tabs.
Tyron Madlener a écrit :
I think that using jQuery UI Tabs is an overkill. It's nice in
applications built completely on top of this UI library, but it has a
lot of options that we don't really need. Simple custom made tabs take
around 25 lines of JavaScript and the code is already in PMA
(js/config.js, setTab). On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Marc Delisle
<marc(a)infomarc.info> wrote:
It can be improved but I feel that it's too late to change this in 3.4.x.
About jQuery tabs, I'm not sure because the options vary, depending on
the chosen format. Feel free to further discuss by explaining how many
tabs there would be and their names.
Tyron Madlener a écrit :
> In phpMyAdmin 3.3 most of the export settings were visible in one page
> without scrolling, hence requiring only very few clicks to export what
> you need. But in 3.4 when I try to export the table structure I first
> need to click '(o) custom' then scroll down and search through all the
> text where in order to find where I select '(o) structure'. It feels
> very unintuitive for me.
Tyron,
what do you mean "export the table structure"? Do you mean "export
_just_ the table structure" ?
Yes, just the table structure without data.
In 3.4, most of the time I leave it in Quick mode
and am happy with the
results.
This panel in 3.4 was built this way by a GSoC 2010 student, based on
the results of usability testings.
Oh, I see. Still seems unintuitive for me.
>> What about:
>> a) We put all the settings in jquery tabs
>> b) On the first tab will be the most used options: Format, Output type
>> (File / as Text) and what to dump (2 checkboxes for each data and
>> structure)
>>
>> Here's a demo of the tabs: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/
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3 May
3 May
12:36 p.m.
Hi
Dne Mon, 2 May 2011 16:31:13 +0200
Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
In phpMyAdmin 3.3 most of the export settings were
visible in one page
without scrolling, hence requiring only very few clicks to export what
you need. But in 3.4 when I try to export the table structure I first
need to click '(o) custom' then scroll down and search through all the
text where in order to find where I select '(o) structure'. It feels
very unintuitive for me.
What about:
a) We put all the settings in jquery tabs
b) On the first tab will be the most used options: Format, Output type
(File / as Text) and what to dump (2 checkboxes for each data and
structure)
The current state is based on last year GSoC project and I usually hear
positive feedback about it. Most people really don't need the options,
so choosing the format is the only thing they want to care about.
Of course advanced options could be hidden by some other mean, but I
don't think tabs really fit this case, because you would have to change
number of tabs based on selection of format and I think this would be
unintuitive.
--
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1:41 p.m.
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Mon, 2 May 2011 16:31:13 +0200
Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
Yes, indeed. I didn't see the format specific settings at first.
However, the same applies to the current solution. Here we have
regions of settings appearing and disappearing.
Maybe alternatively to tabs the selection 'Quick - display only the
minimal options' should show not only the format, but also 1-2 of the
most commonly used settings (depending on the current format
selection)? That way it would still be minimal, but covering a greater
amount of export cases.
In phpMyAdmin 3.3 most of the export settings
were visible in one page
without scrolling, hence requiring only very few clicks to export what
you need. But in 3.4 when I try to export the table structure I first
need to click '(o) custom' then scroll down and search through all the
text where in order to find where I select '(o) structure'. It feels
very unintuitive for me.
What about:
a) We put all the settings in jquery tabs
b) On the first tab will be the most used options: Format, Output type
(File / as Text) and what to dump (2 checkboxes for each data and
structure)
The current state is based on last year GSoC project and I usually hear
positive feedback about it. Most people really don't need the options,
so choosing the format is the only thing they want to care about.
Of course advanced options could be hidden by some other mean, but I
don't think tabs really fit this case, because you would have to change
number of tabs based on selection of format and I think this would be
unintuitive.
--
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5 May
5 May
9:51 a.m.
Hi
Dne Tue, 3 May 2011 12:41:56 +0200
Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
Yes, indeed. I didn't see the format specific
settings at first.
However, the same applies to the current solution. Here we have
regions of settings appearing and disappearing.
Maybe alternatively to tabs the selection 'Quick - display only the
minimal options' should show not only the format, but also 1-2 of the
most commonly used settings (depending on the current format
selection)? That way it would still be minimal, but covering a greater
amount of export cases.
I really don't see much of such options. What would you propose to
show for SQL?
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10:35 a.m.
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Michal Čihař <michal(a)cihar.com> wrote:
Hi
Dne Tue, 3 May 2011 12:41:56 +0200
Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
My most used options are '( ) output as file / text' and whether to
export data and or structure.
I think it will be easier if I just build a mock-up to demonstrate,
I'll do that this week.
Yes, indeed. I didn't see the format specific
settings at first.
However, the same applies to the current solution. Here we have
regions of settings appearing and disappearing.
Maybe alternatively to tabs the selection 'Quick - display only the
minimal options' should show not only the format, but also 1-2 of the
most commonly used settings (depending on the current format
selection)? That way it would still be minimal, but covering a greater
amount of export cases.
I really don't see much of such options. What would you propose to
show for SQL?
--
Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://phpmyadmin.cz
10:44 a.m.
Hi
Dne Thu, 5 May 2011 09:35:22 +0200
Tyron Madlener <tyronx(a)gmail.com> napsal(a):
My most used options are '( ) output as file /
text' and whether to
export data and or structure.
I really don't think this is much used. In fact I use this only when
debugging some export plugin.
I think it will be easier if I just build a mock-up to
demonstrate,
I'll do that this week.
Sure, that might help.
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